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I really love these 2 options for lang. arts, peace hill is a vendor for our charter so I wouldnt pay for this. But I really like Hillside too.
Are they similar? I know HS is Catholic and PH is not, just wanted to get your opinions and likes and dislikes. I dont know if I my dds will like either I am leaning towards the classical very much, and need all the suggestions I can get. 
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PH is so scripted that I found it annoying (luckily I only borrowed it). I bought HS which we've enjoyed. Every once in a while there is a Saint's quote for copywork, and I just love that.
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What would you reccomend for
7th, 3rd and 1st. I know some people dont like to do grammar for the young ones but I thought I would ask I am not sure if I want to do it yet with my 1st grader seeing also as she is having a hard time learning how to read.
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Hi Claudia,
Are you looking just for grammar, or for an "English" program? Primary and Intermediate Language Lessons focus on developing facility with language and don't have traditional grammar study. Usage is covered, but not parts of speech or sentence grammar. (In part 3 of ILL, the parts of speech are introduced, but not drilled or reinforced.) If you wanted "grammar" study, I would choose another program.
Personally, I would not start grammar in 1st grade, especially if she has not learned to read yet. Enjoy language and stories for a while!!! Primary LL is started in 3rd grade when the physical part of writing is somewhat under control and the child can read well. I teach 7th grade English in a little co-op, and I see no difference in the ability to understand the logic of grammar between the kids who went to school and did grammar from 1st grade on and those who had no grammar instruction until 5th or 6th grade. I think it is somewhat of a developmental thing. (Oh I don't know, my daughter whops the older boys in grammar and she's only in 5th grade.)
You can PM me if you want more info about ILL and PLL.
 Margot
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I would personally just focus on learning to love books and language in first grade and leave it at that. PLL is better saved for later, as Margot says, as it's rather writing-intensive for a younger child (though you can do a lot orally, and a first grader might like things like picture study and memorizing poems, which PLL includes).
If you do Latin or another foreign language in later years, that will also cover a lot of grammar nuts and bolts. English grammar has really gelled for my 9th grader this year through her Latin studies, though she already had a lot of facility with writing and was an avid reader -- she could do it all intuitively, but Latin helped her to understand why language works as it does. In a way, I really think that formal grammar is best saved until a child can relate to it as an interesting logic game, rather than simply memorizing and spitting back parts of speech.
Next year I'm planning to do a year of sentence diagrams (using the First Whole Book of Diagrams from Ye Hedge School -- just to muddy the waters with another provider!) with my 10yo and my teenager (and the littles, as they wander in and out). The 10yo already loves logic, puzzles, and mind games of all kinds, so I thought we'd just do this on a "for fun" basis and learn more about how our language works. I would not do this kind of thing with a younger child, but for kids who are old enough to appreciate it, it's an interesting exercise, and teaches lots of things, like command of sentence structure, logical thought, etc.
There's also Lingua Mater, Margot's composition program, which I like the look of very much, wish I'd used when my daughter was a 7th grader, and plan to use over two years with my son, starting after this coming year, in 6th and 7th grade. Again, that's not grammar per se, but would be a very developmentally appropriate program for a 7th grader (and you can work on grammar issues through her writing).
As an aside, I've been teaching English in a high-school co-op, and also see very little difference between the kids who have had lots of formal grammer/composition over the years and the ones who haven't. There's such a thing as too early, but not necessarily such a thing as too late.
And as an aside, Margot, I met you at the Memphis Catholic Homeschool Conference in March, and wanted you to know that we have really used that list of writing assignments you handed out in your workshop. The timing was perfect. My 9th and 10th grade co-op students, burned out on term papers, have LOVED writing letters to various characters in Julius Caesar ("Brutus! Think! Don't do it!"), making up cartoons, pretending to be a character and writing a letter to Dear Abby ("Dear Abby, My husband has just declared himself dictator for life, and I keep having these dreams . . . " "Dear Abby, I think a friend of mine is getting too ambitious. How do I tell him?") -- I forget whether that one was actually on your list or whether I made it up myself, but it's been a popular one.
Well, don't know if any of that answers your question at all! Maybe I'd just better go check the pasta water again . . .
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Sally and Margot. That sounds like a great list of ideas...just what I needed for writing prompts!
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I really enjoyed the FLL from PH but I would never use grammar for a first grader again. I would suggest that if you like it, use it late in second grade and third and then go on to the type of grammar that you like. I like the program because it is orall and short. I tried Seton and it is too intensive for the young child. My plan is to do Sound Beginnings and FLL with my twins in starting in the middle of second grade because she has some nice narration work in it. Once we get through that book, I will probably buy Seton grade 4 grammar and spend 2 years doing it while reading a Ruth Heller grammar series and a Brian Cleary grammar series (I can't link anything right now but you can look up these 2 authors in Amazon for their parts of speech books). But after the nightmare that grammar instruction turned into with my first child, I will never do it again for real until after 5th grade. Grammra is a very abstract concept and some children are ready for the abstract even in first grade but many aren't. And if they are not -well the crashing and burning will be painful...
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Kristie 4 wrote:
| Sally and Margot. That sounds like a great list of ideas...just what I needed for writing prompts! |
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I'd be happy to send you a copy of it by pdf if you PM me with your email address. I just cobbled it together from things I found online and added some of my old stand-bys from years gone by. (ideas for responding to books with other than a "traditional" book report, which BTW I depise from the core of my being.)
Hi Sally!!!!
I'm so glad that the list was helpful. It was great to meet and talk with you. It really does sound like you have a great program!!!
God bless
Margot
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