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We sat down to watch Life in the Undergrowth, which my children were CAPTIVATED by, however, there is some seriously descriptive mating going on in this and I was blushing!  My 10 year old was asking some uestions, but the rest of the gang didn't notice or say anything. I know WAY more about slug love than I EVER wanted to know. 
Has anyone watched this series, and are all the episodes heavy on mating, or was that the worst of it? I would love to be able to watch these, but sheesh!
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I had an experience similar to that years ago while watching Blue Planet and have not tried again since. With that, it was Blue Whales and while it went over their heads, the images themselves were pretty graphic since, given the size of everything else relating to blue whales, you can imagine just how little of the process was left to the imagination.
In agrarian societies, I think it was likely pretty normal for children to gain some of their knowledge of the birds and the bees from observing it in nature and on the farm. But there was no voice over 
It is probably going to go over the heads of the littlest ones, and it might be okay for the older ones, but it is the in-between ones that I worry about being forced to understand something (somethjng that creates a strong mental image) before they are really ready. I watched a lot of PBS nature documentaries growing up, and I was still pretty old before I came to realize the mechanics of it all, so perhaps it all really will still go over their heads, though, I'm pretty sure that Marty Stauffer was a lot less concerned with personifying that aspect of nature than modern filmmakers are.
Anyway, my preference would be to preview those shows beforehand. I just haven't found the time or energy to do it since we have no shortage of movies. I'd like to, though. We watched a BBC promo for his shows online over and over because the boys were so mesmerized. I know they would love it.
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I might be way out there, but my kids have seen the animals on the farm so I like David's stuff. Granted the littles pass it over, but the tween/teen girls love to see that kind of stuff. I guess I've just made it such a natural part of life with having homebirths and them seeing some graphic mating of horses and cows on the farm....
But we can't all be ranch hands. LOL And you know your children best!
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CrunchyMom wrote:
Anyway, my preference would be to preview those shows beforehand. I just haven't found the time or energy to do it since we have no shortage of movies. I'd like to, though. |
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Agreed! Same problem over here... 
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I might be way out there, but my kids have seen the animals on the farm so I like David's stuff. Granted the littles pass it over, but the tween/teen girls love to see that kind of stuff. I guess I've just made it such a natural part of life with having homebirths and them seeing some graphic mating of horses and cows on the farm....
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So, we have not witnessed mating animals in real life, but we have watched via documentaries our fair share, and it has not been a big deal, but this was much different. MUCH different. It was the way it was presented, along with the actual content - anthropomorphising on a very real level. Honestly I am curious, have you seen this and did you notice a difference? Perhaps I am hitting a point in child rearing (having a 10 year old....) where my antennae are up (pardon the pun!)... 
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herdingkittens wrote:
| It was the way it was presented, along with the actual content - anthropomorphising on a very real level. Honestly I am curious, have you seen this and did you notice a difference? |
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Yes, that is the word I couldn't produce. And yes, I do think it is different. Part of it must be marketing--yk, s*x sells, even in nature documentaries. It seems everything today is made to be salacious. I could be misremembering, but it seems that documentaries were much more matter of fact in the past.
I also wonder if it stems from the modern idea that *we* are like animals. So, the reciprocal idea is that *they* are like us?
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I do know that a ton of stuff went over my head as a child. I look at some of the things I viewed, and I am often shocked in retrospect And my parents were much stricter than any of my peers'! We do become more aware as parents.
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I think I recall the one scene you are mentioning (it's been a while) and it is pretty over the top, even for this farm-girl nature-lover. Most of the Attenborough docs are not even close to being so...romantic. For some reason I think they just wanted to spice up the slug-love scene. Weird, really.
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Wanted to update on this...
We watched the rest of the series on Insects and the Slugs were most certainly the most....exciting of all the animals. The rest was fine and we LOVED watching.
Moved on to LIfe of Mammals and enjoying that even more. The only thing we ran across that required (QUICK!) fast forwarding was the whale mating scene. Our friend David went into a little too much detail and the close ups were too close up.
If anyone is interested, I will update this post with any red flags as we work through this series.
Great series and there is always celebration when I announce that we get to watch another one. 
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Yes, that was the one I meant. It was years go, and I was muddled. And I can't believe I wrote blue whales , since Blue Planet actually says we don't know much about how they mate, etc...
But, mostly, like you said ,there wasn't an issue, but the whale scene made me blush a little and was explicit enough to raise questions one might not be ready to address with small chdren.
I remember a college professor and friend telling me then that when he took his dog for walks, he tried to give her a little privacy and not look at her when she did her business. On the one hand, I laughed, because it is a dog, but on the other, I understood. I'm not really Victorian about these things, and yet, when we go through such efforts to personify the animal, looking on during such times can feel awkward
I, for one, would love a heads up on these series as you come across. For all his utterly confused philosophy and world view , Attenborough does such an amazing job of communicating and inspiring authentic delight in creation.
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I'll be happy to, Lindsay! I do not know a great deal about him personally, but we do love the programs and for some reason the children affectionately call him "David Hamburger". Where they get this stuff from, I cannot tell you.
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I remember a college professor and friend telling me then that when he took his dog for walks, he tried to give her a little privacy and not look at her when she did her business. On the one hand, I laughed, because it is a dog, but on the other, I understood. I'm not really Victorian about these things, and yet, when we go through such efforts to personify the animal, looking on during such times can feel awkward |
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I totally get you there... Just because we know all the ins and outs does not make it necessary in all venues to lay it all out in it's full glory! My sister (who is a non-believer and described the martial embrace to her daughter at 5 in FULL detail ), thinks I am dopey for hitting the fast forward button. She said that showing it to the children might spark a sense of "awe" of nature and enthusiasm... Well that might be the case for some, for who my children are (and I happen to know them pretty well), and where we are at in life, it does not strike me as important. That being said, my oldest daughter assisted our midwife at our last baby's birth and was in awe - she wanted to be a midwife after that. I know that is not something every family would choose to do, but it was a natural choice for our family, you know? For my daughter, that was beautiful and awesome, but I just feel like the whale scene is a different story all together...
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