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Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 4:30pm | IP Logged Quote MaryM

Recently on At Home Science yahoo group, Kris shared her preference for science books for children written before 1990 and specifically in the 1960's. She mentioned noticing how with a lot of contemporary children's science books there is a lot of flash and not much content. Sometimes when they republish older books, add in lots of wonderful color photography but completely gut all the writing so that it is much simpler but has (boring) sentences.

One older author she recommended recently on her blog was Millicent Selsam. I did some searching and found that I had seen a couple of her books like Big Tracks, Little Tracks: Following Animal Prints that were reprinted, not realizing that those were previously published.   Is that one where the language has been changed substantially from the original? - it does seem pretty simply phrased.

I'm really interested now in finding older science books. I have wanted to ask for recommendations for those older science authors from Kris and others, and figured this was a good place to do so.

From various sources I have been running into a couple names - one being Selsam and I just requested several of the older books from our library. I am enjoying them. Another author I recently found is Mae (and sometimes Ira) Freeman. She (sometimes along with her husband) wrote a lot of science books in the late 60's and early 70's. I'm sure I grew up having seen some of them but not making a connection (other than the one that helped me rediscover them - thanks again, Jen L. )

I also noticed that Arnold Lobel, probably most famous for the Frog and Toad books, illustrated a lot more books for other authors than I ever realized, and many of them are juvenile science books. We just got Red Tag Comes Back - an early reader book about the life of a salmon - great science of fish life, spawning, navigating dams, wildlife tracking/tagging.


Who are the big name authors in children's science from that time period?
Who do you particularly enjoy?
What titles to look for?
Please share your favorites.

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Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 9:43pm | IP Logged Quote AtHomeScience

Oh yes, I love old children's science books I'll be sad when libraries finally rid their shelves of them.

Franklyn Branley started the Lets Read and Learn About Science series, along with Roma Gans. That series is still in print with the text intact, though not all the titles have been updates.

Jeanne Bendick is wonderful, and Melvin Berger (who still publishes but his current stuff is for early elementary.)

BTW, I looked up Mae Freeman on LibraryThing and she comes up as Mae Blacker Freeman, with 47 works. I'll have to keep an eye out for her books!

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Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 11:23pm | IP Logged Quote MaryM

We have read and enjoyed many, many of the Franklyn Branley books as well - I had no idea he launched that series in the 1960's - I thought it was recent. See what I get for just looking at the reprinted ones.

I'm ashamed to say the only Bendick books we've read are the ones reprinted by Bethlehem books. I didn't realize how many she had written. In my little rabbit trail this evening, I found this great quote of hers on science:

"One part of the job I set for myself is to make those young readers see that everything is connected to everything-that science isn't something apart. It's a part of everyday life. It has been that way since the beginning. The things the earliest scientists learned were the building blocks for those who came after. Sometimes they accepted earlier ideas. Sometimes they questioned them and challenged them. I want to involve readers directly in the text so they will ask themselves questions and try to answer them. If they can't answer, that's not really important... Questions are more important than answers... If I were a fairy godmother, my gift to every child would be curiosity."

Kris, where can you find original publication dates for books that look like they were reprinted? I don't mean in the copyright itself, Just in general online searches. Most of the dates I'm getting for the Bendick books are more recent dates which wouldn't be the original publication dates.

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Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 5:37pm | IP Logged Quote AtHomeScience

For a list of books by an author, I will put the author's name in at LibraryThing or Amazon. Here is Jeanne Bendick's page on LibraryThing.

Getting original publication dates is a little harder. Some reprints will list original dates on the copyright page, but not always.

As I was writing this post, I wondered if WorldCat would have this info and sure enough, it does. You can limit searches to books and you can search by title or author. I imagine the Library of Congress may have something similar but I'll have to get back to you on that.
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Posted: Nov 14 2009 at 2:55am | IP Logged Quote MaryM

I ran across another name from a book recommendation from the Vintage Kid's Books blog. The author is Marguerite Rush Lerner. I ended up requesting the book from the blog. I couldn't find it by that title (Red Man, White Man, African Chief: The Story of Skin Color) which was written in 1960, but I believe that this book is probably the same one (Color and People: The Story of Pigmentation, 1971). I imagine that the title changed to more reflect the awareness of language used.

I've only skimmed it so far, but it looks very informative and well written. It appears this author has several science books for children - dealing with medical or human body topics.

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Posted: May 25 2011 at 2:48am | IP Logged Quote MaryM

In my living weather book quest came across this great book from the 1960's - love it. Rain, Hail, Sleet & Snow - Nancy Larrick

There is a whole series of these "Junior Science Book of..." titles. I'm going to request a few of these as well and I'll let you know. I'm sure these were commonplace in libraries when I was little though I don't remember specifically.


And I just got two more books from a couple of the authors I listed above.

Biography of an Atom - Selsam
Who do you Think You Are? The Story of Heredity - Lerner

So, I'm still very interested in this topic of OOP science books. Any other authors or titles to add?

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Posted: May 25 2011 at 9:17pm | IP Logged Quote AtHomeScience

I noticed Patricia Lauber on there--she still writes volcano books for kids.

Did you know that the Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments was banned by the government because the experiments were too dangerous for the target age group? But now you can download the book.

I actually have quite a few science-related Golden Books from the 1960s.

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Did you know that the Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments was banned by the government because the experiments were too dangerous for the target age group? But now you can download the book.

I actually have quite a few science-related Golden Books from the 1960s.


Then you are living dangerously, Kris!!

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For basic "spine" type books, I still love the How and Why Wonder Books series. This site gives a list. These are still very cheap and relatively easy to find. We've used "Oceanography" and one on machines, as well as one on light and color in the last year or so. The kids love the straight-forward presentation. Including experiment suggestions, clear diagrams, and colored pictures, they have a sort of "comic book" feel (not that the pictures are comics, just the paperback binding, length, and type of pages remind me of older comic books). The information is detailed and complete.

On a lighter note, I have to share this funny story. My dh and I were driving through rural Virginia a few years back and saw an antique store...more sort of like a flea market...by the roadside. Browsing the racks, we found a children's science kit from the early 60's. On the cover was a teen boy and the words: "Experiments in NUCLEAR SCIENCE!" Very curious, I opened the box to find a tube of uranium prominently placed in the center of the kit's chemicals.     URANIUM!! My dh want to buy it, but I said, "I'm not driving all the way home with radioactive uranium in backseat!"

Ah, the 60's....

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Posted: May 27 2011 at 6:18am | IP Logged Quote AtHomeScience

That's a great story--my dh decided to search the Internet for what it was. Might it have been this? I guess we should say, "Ah the 50's..." I love that the government encouraged kids to prospect for uranium but banned hydrogen experiments.

We have some of those Wonder books, too--they are packed with lots of great information.

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For basic "spine" type books, I still love the How and Why Wonder Books series. This site gives a list. These are still very cheap and relatively easy to find.

Oh, my gosh!!!! Just looking at that site brings back such memories! I think I had most of those books as a child!
No wonder I turned out to be such a geek!LOL!
Now I NEED to find some!

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Posted: May 27 2011 at 4:20pm | IP Logged Quote Erin

For OOP science titles, I love the I Can Read Science books, a variety of authors.

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These aren't out of print, but our family's favorite science books are the Living in God's World series that OLVS carries (as well as the Seaside and Wayside books). They are in story format, with ideas for projects, simple line drawings. We just love the story format so much - it's like living through them when we can't get outside ourselves; but it inspires my son to go on his own adventure we can get outside.

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That's a great story--my dh decided to search the Internet for what it was. Might it have been this? I guess we should say, "Ah the 50's..." I love that the government encouraged kids to prospect for uranium but banned hydrogen experiments.

We have some of those Wonder books, too--they are packed with lots of great information.


That's very similar, but not quite the same. The one I saw had a test-tube in the center labeled "radioactive uranium". The one your dh found looks much more interesting...love the cloud chamber! I guess, given the collectors value of the kit he found, I should have put up with radioactivity in the backseat after all! My dh will be so thrilled to know he was right!

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Posted: June 03 2011 at 6:15pm | IP Logged Quote JennGM

It's taken me a while to come and read through this thread....didn't realize it was an older one. Love all the author recommendations!

Uranium! I wouldn't have been that cautious! What a curiosity! Thank goodness the government watches us over more closely. We could have hurt ourselves. However did people survive in the 50s and 60s?

Love those How and Why series!

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Posted: June 06 2011 at 8:26pm | IP Logged Quote Mackfam

stellamaris wrote:
For basic "spine" type books, I still love the How and Why Wonder Books series.

These are some of our favorite books as well. We have some from my childhood, and others we've acquired because my oldest son really loves them!!

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Adding a fantastic oop author.

Glenn Blough (1904 - 1995)

His style of writing is wonderful - simple and accessible, yet very articulate and his books are written in a narrative style. He was a prolific writer, authoring around 43 books from 1937 - 1973. Our favorites are the books he authored and Jeanne Bendick illustrated.

By Glenn Blough, illustrated by Jeanne Bendick:
After the Sun Goes Down
Bird Watchers and Bird Feeders
Christmas Trees and How They Grow
Discovering Insects
Discovering Plants
Lookout For the Forest
Not Only For Ducks
Soon After September
The Tree on the Road to Turntown
Wait For the Sunshine
Who Lives In This House
Who Lives In This Meadow
Who Lives At The Seashore


He wrote many other books though - Amazon offerings of Glenn Blough.

From Bird Watchers and Bird Feeders:
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When the air grows cold and nips your cheeks and nose; when the leaves turn red, orange, gold and brown, and fall from the trees; when the sun comes up later and goes down earlier - then you know autumn is coming right up to your front door.

Autumn comes all over the United States. But in the Far South the air doesn't get so nippy and all the leaves don't color up and fall down. In the Far North the air gets nippier sooner and the leaves fall earlier.

There's another way to tell that autumn's coming to your door. Bird watchers can tell. They can tell without the nippy air, or the brown leaves, or the sun. And bird watchers can tell this in the North, South, East or West. They know that it is autumn by the birds they see, for in autumn birds are on the move. Bird watchers see birds then that they haven't seen all summer. Bird watchers never know what bird surprises they may find in their back yards when birds are on the move.


The books are GENEROUSLY illustrated with wonderful captioning and examples by Bendick and they're fantastic to read - super informative and enjoyable!

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Posted: June 17 2011 at 12:52pm | IP Logged Quote Mackfam

Adding another author to this thread:

Anna E. McGovern (1853 - 1946)

First, a little history on Miss McGovern. She attended the Iowa State Normal School (which is now the University of Northern Iowa) as a student in the first class, she graduated with a bachelors degree, and was then one of the first female professors of the school, quite an accomplishment for a young lady in her day. She was the Professor of Primary Methods. She was also a devout Catholic, and either as a student or as a new Professor, founded the Catholic Student Association (either as a student or a faculty member) which later became known as the Newman Catholic Association at the University of Northern Iowa (at the time the University was called Iowa State Normal School).

More information on the history of Anna E. McGovern can be read here, at the Knights of Columbus site, St. Stephen the Witness Catholic Student Center. There is a little more on her here, at the University of Northern Iowa's site.

From this thread, I shared in detail about one of her books, a 1902 copy of Nature Study and Related Literature:

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Jen, please share your title. I'm finding a new love for printing old books found for free on google books .

The book to which I refer is the 1905 edition of a book which I have, use often, and TRULY enjoy! (I know I've mentioned it here and on my blog before.)

I have a 1902 copy of Anna E. McGovern's book, Nature Study and Related Literature. This title was reissued in 1905 under a new name, Type Lessons for Primary Teachers in the Study of Nature, Literature and Art by Anna E. McGovern. I downloaded the 1905 copy and compared it side-by-side with my 1902 edition. They are very similar, in fact, the meat of the two books is the same - same wording, many of the same lessons, same poetry - but the 1905 edition has rearranged some lessons, adding them to the Table of Contents, which was not done in the same way (or not at all) in the 1902 edition. There are also some additions to the 1905 book and these appear to be in the same style and loveliness of the lessons of the 1902 book. I'm not sure why the 1905 book would be available digitally, but not the 1902 edition, but side-by-side, they're practically identical except that the 1905 edition has clearly been revised. I haven't really dug in yet though. It could be that these books are in fact completely identical, but the 1905 edition arranged and organized the subject matter in a more understandable way. The more I look at it, the more I am inclined to believe this is the case. The 1902 edition has 384 pages, the 1905 edition has 380. Very similar page numbers if significant additions were made.

Anyway, I'll share with you the author's preface which is the same in both books:
Anna E. McGovern wrote:
                In the preparation of this book it has been the aim to illustrate by concrete examples, type lessons suitable for each season of the year, and also to emphasize the importance of the poetic presentation of truth in the nature lessons in the lower grades.
                The aim of Nature Study is twofold: First, to cultivate the higher nature of the child and lead him toward his Creator; and secondly, to develop his intellectual powers and lead him to acquire a knowledge of his physical environment.
                A careful consideration of this twofold purpose suggests the desirability of correlating Nature Study with literature and art. The educational value of the classic poem and beautiful picture in which true art principles are exemplified, in elevating taste and creating a high standard of the beautiful, can scarcely be estimated.
                No more potent agents can be found than the poets and the painters in revealing spiritual beauty.
                In considering the tree, the flower, the bird, or whatever it may be, poems and stories are included in the plan of study, not for the purpose of giving instruction, but to supplement the subject with literature, which will illumine and crystallize the nature lesson and impress correct ideals of truth and beauty.


This gives you a very clear idea of the subject matter of this book and the poetry and lessons contained within are quite extraordinary!

Just for ease of linking and clicking (both of these are free downloads to ereaders or for reading on the computer):
Archive.org version (easiest to read on the computer, also easy to download to a number of ereaders - a free download)
Type Lessons for Primary Teachers in the Study of Nature, Literature and Art

Google Books version (wanted to be sure to include since Jenny mentioned her talent for turning google books into paper books!)
Type Lessons for Primary Teachers in the Study of Nature, Literature and Art


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More on how I use the above book from the same thread:

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Google Books version (wanted to be sure to include since Jenny mentioned her talent for turning google books into paper books!)
Type Lessons for Primary Teachers in the Study of Nature, Literature and Art

Jen,
I downloaded that book when you linked it a few days ago. It's a real treasure trove of nature-related lit. But I am having trouble wrapping my brain around how exactly to use it. Maybe because reading it on the Kindle makes it harder to leaf through and get a feel for the big picture of the book, you know?
So I guess what I'm wondering is exactly how YOU use this book.

It is helpful to remember that this book was written to encourage teachers within the school system who felt they had no experience or knowledge in Natural History. At the time, Nature Study was virtually unheard of, and Miss McGovern felt that was a travesty. The book was meant to provide teachers an easy to use book to begin to foster a love of Natural History and Nature Study. So this book is most ideally suited to the home educating mom that might feel intimidated to get started with Nature Study, or feels she has no background in Natural History and is concerned she won't be an adequate guide in Nature (which...um...is not you, Theresa!).

I use the book in a variety of ways:

:: Seasonal Poetry - I always pull this book out as we approach the end of one season and the beginning of another in order to plan the next term's seasonal poetry. It is my absolute favorite source for seasonal poetry, and of course, nature related poetry, which is what the author intended.

:: Lesson specific - I review the book seasonally, and find that I offer lessons from it for my elementary students, maybe one or two each term. The little people really enjoy the lessons.

:: Mini-ideas - I enjoy reading through the lesson for mini-ideas I might want to pursue or build on, rather than working the whole lesson. I grab a few ideas to build on rather than investigating an entire chapter. This works out a lot for us since we tend to be pretty relaxed and I really like the kids to observe and make connections on their own. I like the help of the lessons as background and for inspiring ideas and ALWAYS for the lit/poetry connections, but mining the lessons for mini-ideas is probably how I use this book a great majority of the time. An example, I really loved all the ideas at the beginning of the color chapter -
     ** hang prisms in sunny windows (check! )
     ** notice the colors of the spectrum in nature (we challenged ourselves and did a sort of ROYGBIV scavenger hunt on our nature walk...crimson in the October Glory Maple leaves, Yellow in the Tulip Poplar, etc....that was a really fun nature walk!)
     ** blow soapbubbles and notice the colors of the spectrum in the bubbles

:: Questions which prompt investigation - there are always a plethora of these questions in each lesson. Sometimes I just ask a few to jump start an investigation.

:: OOP Book resource treasure chest - I enjoy the book references and lists she offers which might help flesh out a lesson. Sometimes these are at the end of lessons, and there is a long list in the back of my book. Obviously, they're all out of print now, but many can still be found through searches. It's a gold mine of lovely oop books for nature study.

:: Emphasis on CM methods - I really appreciate how she emphasizes CM methods in nature study - a child's own observation of the natural world. She writes of the teacher as the "leader", "lead the children...". I suppose that doesn't really bother me, though I'd rather think of myself more as a participant and learning alongside, but certainly, I could see how you could substitute "guide" for "leader", in that as parent-teachers we sometimes present or guide children to opportunities to explore and observe. Anyway, it's a bit of a tangent, but I wondered if I agreed with this viewpoint at first, but after reading a bit I came to understand that Miss McGovern sees the teacher as a guide, presenting opportunities for observation. I believe that while she hoped her book would be a useful tool for Nature Study, she had no intention that it would replace quiet observations. Using the example of The Morning Glory lesson, the work of the root:
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Lead children to see that the roots hold the other members of the (flower) family in place and aid in supporting the stem. <snip> Try several similar experiments and lead children to see that the plants will not live without the root-hairs. Let children get the thought from the plants.

That bolded sentence is not included in the 1905 version I noticed, and that's a bummer because I really like that sentence. It's a needed reminder - we're not to present the connection (very CM thought here), the child uncovers the connection.

In the same Morning Glory lesson, she encourages the teacher to illustrate the Morning Glory using only the children's descriptions in order to encourage the children to observe fine details! Thought that was a fantastic idea...and could be extended to a number of activities. It's actually something I use as a kind of healing-making-up-work....when we've had a rough day...and I've been less-than-gentle ( ), I ask the kids to describe something to me in fine detail and I draw it. It's great on a number of levels.

But I digress....

:: Poetry resource for reading aloud during nature sketch time - I read aloud from the poetry and literature selections when the children are adding items to their Nature Sketch books, ESPECIALLY if they are illustrating something pertinent to a lesson or topic because there are always great lit/poetry selections! They really enjoy it when I read aloud while they are painting or sketching. I may not always use the Nature Study lessons as Miss McGovern writes them, but if the children have been out to see their seasonal trees (the children have each chosen a tree, and we visit it and illustrate it seasonally), then I'm cracking this book open and reading poetry or literature from the section on trees.

:: Appendices which are helpful...but slightly irritating in that many of the poems and resources listed would have been nice if they were just included with the lesson appropriate chapter. Maybe that's one of the things that is more intuitively arranged in the 1905 printing. In the back of my 1902 book there are various appendices and these are enjoyable to get to know. One of our favorites poems listed in the INSPIRATION POEMS section is The Glory of God In Creation by Thomas Moore (link to poem here). We introduce our new year of Nature Study with this poem each year - it's an annual tradition now. There are many other poems here as well that we enjoy.

:: Inspiring Picture Study chapter - I like the Picture Study chapter in my book - there is a yearly listing of artwork to be studied for each grade, 1 - 4. It's a very nice list. There's a lovely study of Corregio's Holy Night in this chapter. It's very CM, and so it's nothing new if you've been doing Picture Study all along, but it is a neat little chapter with some good ideas for artwork.

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Anna McGovern believed that nature study was incomplete without literature and literature study incomplete without art. Thus, all of her lessons foster these three working together. I probably find myself a more relaxed "guide" when it comes to Nature Study, and use her lessons and book to springboard ideas. I relish the related literature and poetry selections though! So, in addition to enjoying the seasonal poetry and nature related literature, I mostly mine the chapters for mini-ideas I might use to springboard or further an observation the children have made spontaneously on one of their nature walks.

Favorite spin-off book that I learned of in reading Anna McGovern's book? Poetry of the Seasons by Mary Isabella Lovejoy....but there are still so many I'm hunting down!

Hope this is a help, Theresa!


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Posted: June 17 2011 at 1:09pm | IP Logged Quote AtHomeScience

Jennifer, is this the book you mentioned to me at the IHM conference? I just downloaded it--what a treasure! Timely cross-posting, Jen!

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AtHomeScience wrote:
Jennifer, is this the book you mentioned to me at the IHM conference? I just downloaded it--what a treasure! Timely cross-posting, Jen!


Nope, another one, Natural Science Through the Seasons by J.A. Partridge. It's not online.

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