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Posted: Sept 20 2007 at 2:20pm | IP Logged Quote Marjorie
Hi, Ladies. We found this little hatchling this afternoon and are having difficulty with an ID. Any IDeas :-)

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We've been looking through our books but unfortunately we keep coming up blank too.

At first we wondered about the Pine Snake (our book does not have a picture of it but only of the related Bullsnake. Our Golden Guide says, "The Pine Snake is an Eastern form of the Bull Snake .... It is relatively light colored with large black patches on its back." It is particular to Southern pine woods. But reading further it has a yellow lip and belly and is larger than the one you found.

We have a picture of a young Black rat snake and the color is lighter brown like yours - but the splotches on the picture are much larger.

Water snakes were all aggressive.

Corn snakes - so many different varieties but the one pictured didn't match (but of course they could all look quite different and we just don't have a detailed enough book).

I'm real curious to know as I bet we have the same variety of snakes here in Al as you do in Georgia.

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Posted: Sept 20 2007 at 8:59pm | IP Logged Quote jugglingpaynes
Can we narrow it a little? I'm looking on Animal Diversity Web ADW: Serpentes: Classification. My dd says venomous snakes have slit pupils (except for coral snakes), non-venom have circle pupils.

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Posted: Sept 20 2007 at 9:38pm | IP Logged Quote Marjorie
I am always a bit cautious about snakes until I see if it has the slit eyes and other indicators of venomous/non-venomous. One new way I learned last weekend at a Ga. nature center site Know your SSnakes is to look at the underside if possible at the scales at the end of the snake's tail. If the snake has scales are divided in two sections (see link for picture) they are non-venomous. Since our little guy was so docile we did flip him over - two scales.   Obviously this is not advisable in most circumstances! Also he had nice round pupils and no triangular head. I also just remembered the nature center gave me a beautiful poster of Georgia Snakes. It is still rolled up, but I'll look tomorrow. Maybe I'll find a clue. (Leslie, are you out there? Have you looked at your poster?)

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Could it be an Oak Snake? The markings *look* "oakey" (or "Okie"?? )

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Another possibility might be a juvenile black racer? They look rat-snakey when they're babies.

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Posted: Sept 21 2007 at 7:19am | IP Logged Quote Marjorie
Aha! I checked my Georgia Dept of Natural resources poster this morning and there he was - a Brown Snake It may not have been a hatchling as their typical size is from only 6-13inches in length. Thanks for all your help, ladies!

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