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President Bush has promised to veto this Stem Cell Research bill. Is there a number or email to call to tell him I support his veto?
Would it be the Comment line at the White House?
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I think the Comment line would work, but you can also email him at this address: president@whitehouse.gov
Good idea!
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Bush issued his first veto of his presidency minutes ago, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13934199/.
Please scroll down at the link above and vote.
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The article annoys me - though I am very pleased that Bush vetoed Fetal stem cell research. I've noticed that in the press it is always pictured as those who care so much about curing awful diseases and those who are so attached to pro-life position that they won't even consider the poor folks suffering with Parkinsons or whatever the disease most visible at the moment.
My problem with all this is that it is totally inaccurate. How could I even answer the poll question? I am not opposed to stem cell research - just opposed to stem cell research using fetal cells as opposed to adult cells or umbilical cells from donated placentas. I am opposed to the fetal stem cell research on 2 counts - first, of course, it is immoral but it has also proved unpromising and dangerous to those who have been a part of it (seeing some odd side effects). The adult cells have shown real promise but they are having trouble getting funding due to the fixation with fetal stem cell - where agendas are pushing money!
Thanks for posting and I am so glad Bush vetoed this bill. Hopefully there won't be an attempt to override the veto.
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ALmom wrote:
The article annoys me - though I am very pleased that Bush vetoed Fetal stem cell research. I've noticed that in the press it is always pictured as those who care so much about curing awful diseases and those who are so attached to pro-life position that they won't even consider the poor folks suffering with Parkinsons or whatever the disease most visible at the moment.
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I agree, Janet. It's very irritating to see the pro-life position on this issue being constantly misrepresented by the popular media. 
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ALmom wrote:
My problem with all this is that it is totally inaccurate. How could I even answer the poll question? I am not opposed to stem cell research - just opposed to stem cell research using fetal cells as opposed to adult cells or umbilical cells from donated placentas. I am opposed to the fetal stem cell research on 2 counts - first, of course, it is immoral but it has also proved unpromising and dangerous to those who have been a part of it (seeing some odd side effects). The adult cells have shown real promise but they are having trouble getting funding due to the fixation with fetal stem cell - where agendas are pushing money!
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I totally agree with you! This is the thing that I keep telling people... why can't they use placental cells? If they had a way of donating, I'd have been HAPPY to donate the cord blood... but no! Cord blood invloves YOU paying for it's harvesting and storage. What a waste of a useful source... and nothing controversial about it either!
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I thought you may enjoy reading this. 
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The secular media makes me sick. I usually ignore what has been written by the spin doctors, but I do cast a vote, even when it is written somewhat inaccurately. I am praying for our country.
I still remember reading Aldous Huxley's Brave New World in high school and discussing it. It seemed like such an impossibility, but I don't know anymore. Our world needs prayers and individuals like us to stand up for what is right.
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If you look at what the voting statement says, it is more direct and addresses the real issue. It does not ask, "Should the U.S. fund stem cell research?" (this is only what is stated on the link)
The actual voting statement is, "Should the federal government fund new research on stem cells taken from human embryos?"
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Janet--I couldn't agree more. I have been screaming this for so long. It makes no sense to me that so much money is being poured into something that has not been shown to be theuraputic and in fact has been shown to be dangerous, when there are options out there that are promising and not controversial. Sometimes it just makes me so sad.
Christine--I just finished rereading BNW; I had first read it in high school. When I first read it it seemed so ridiculous, but reading it now it is scary. As I was reading it I kept thinking "That is where we are headed". I pray that I am wrong.
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A note, too.
At issue is the federal funding of stem cell research - not the research itself. An often overlooked fact when debates such as this rage. And, interestingly enough, it was private research that started this whole thing.
Not that I'm for fetal stem cell research - I'm not - but I am especially not for it when our government is paying for it.
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~Rachel~ wrote:
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I think I can answer this. Quick disclaimer: I am not in favor of ESC research.
The reason researchers wish to use fetal stem cells is volume. Embryonic stems copy themselves many times over, while adult stem cells (placental, umbilical, etc.) replace themselves much less efficiently.
I was a a lecture given by Nobel prize winner Christiane Nusslein-Volhard given at the Goethe Institute in Manhattan. I was probably the only pro-life person in the audience  . Her research in embryology is remarkable, and has been done mainly on drosophila and zebra danios (fish). The lecture promoted her new book, which I almost bought. Unfortunately, the topic turned sour when she explained that she had done so much work on bioethics, and could say, "As a scientist, I am, of course, in favor of embryonic stem cell research." What a stupid statement to come from a brilliant woman, and how sad it was for me to hear the affirmative snickering in the room. Of course all scientists are in favor of ESC research, right?
If that's what scientists believe, then I am no scientist.
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Another reason they are insisting on embryonic stem cells being the favored option is that to outlaw it or regulate it differently than other stem cell types would be to admit that embryos are babies rather than just blobs of flesh and there is no way the abortion lobby will let that slip through without a fight.
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There is a local real estate developer here in CO who is going to run for office (forgot which) who has begun running ads on TV where he walks out with his daughter who has a disease (i think diabetes) and makes an emotional appeal for votes by pointing out how her disease and many others could be cured if we vote for him because he will advance funding for "stem cell research." He certainly does not say "embryonic stem cells," leading the viewer to believe that his opponent (or any other opponent of using embryos in research) will not support any stem cell research.
He has a lot of money and he funds these ads of course. It's an election year so there'll be a lot more of this to come I'm afraid. It must be extremely frustrating to those scientists who are using adult and cord cells with some success and who could no doubt use more money and public support to see this debate to muddled up by an ignorant press.
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I thought I had read a few months ago that this had produced some very unfavorable results. Of course it wasn't in the mainstream press but how would a science layperson find some understandable information about this that could be repeated (say in a letter to the editor) while sounding reputable?
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momwise wrote:
There is a local real estate developer here in CO who is going to run for office (forgot which) who has begun running ads on TV where he walks out with his daughter who has a disease (i think diabetes) and makes an emotional appeal for votes by pointing out how her disease and many others could be cured if we vote for him because he will advance funding for "stem cell research." He certainly does not say "embryonic stem cells," leading the viewer to believe that his opponent (or any other opponent of using embryos in research) will not support any stem cell research.
He has a lot of money and he funds these ads of course. It's an election year so there'll be a lot more of this to come I'm afraid. It must be extremely frustrating to those scientists who are using adult and cord cells with some success and who could no doubt use more money and public support to see this debate to muddled up by an ignorant press. |
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It is so frustrating to hear the debates and campaigns talking about how we are turning our backs on these poor people who need this research. We are uncaring, unfeeling, etc.
Really what needs to be made law is that a fetus is a person, an embryonic cell is also a human life. But that is a huge battle. But that's the gist of the argument -- it is never right to use one life to save another life. I know, preaching to the choir....
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Aha......here's an updated version of another article I read showing great promise for adult stem cells:
Studies Support Research Showing Adult Stem Cells Can Mimic Embryonic
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