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One of my children is interested in photography, and I am trying to find a photography course, instructional website etc. Also any recommendations for a good camera for a teen
I would love to hear from anyone who has teens who are accomplished photographers - how they have learned, what camera they use etc.
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In all honesty I am interested in all of the same information you are! I have been forced into learning how to take photographs and learn on my own.
I just purchased a Nikon 3200 after two years of struggling to do what I wanted to do with a point and shoot.
Adorama.com is the one of the best online sources for anything camera and camera related. I have also called their custom support and they were really helpful in getting me what I needed.
There is also a lot of support at Nikon and Nikon School for much more classes to take.
I just found out about lynda.com. From what I have heard this is a great place to learn soft wear. They also have a ton of photography tutorials. I am planning on using it when I can commit to a month, and learn how to use Lightroom for my photography.
From what I have learned, you want to use your camera and knowledge to take the best picture possible. BUT, almost as important is the computer editing with Lightroom and or Photoshop to make the images perfect. The photographer I took my class with when I got my camera said that he took an intensive photoshop course two years ago. At that time he didn't think his photography was at a high enough quality. He said it turns out he just didn't know photoshop well enough and that made the difference in his professional images.
I feel as if I am rambling. I hope this information helps, it was all hard won through trial and error and I am still working on it in my "free time" !
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One more thing....... [as I step on my soap box]....
For anyone that wants to have a career of selling their time or talents I STRONGLY suggest taking as many business courses as possible. If there is one thing that I have learned with my micro business is that you will need to wear many, many hats. I have had to quickly learn SOOOOO many things just to be able to sell and craft what I love!
Learn accounting, learn marketing, learn how to write well, learn how to manage your time, did I mention accounting, learn some graphic designs so you can make your own business cards and marketing materials, learn everything and anything about business!!!!!
The better you are all all of this, the more time you will have to do what you truly love!!!!!
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I second the recommendation of lynda.com The site has some excellent instructional videos.
If your teen is really serious about photography, then I would recommend getting a Canon Rebel. My husband has had one for many years (I don't remember which model) and really likes it. I actually like his camera too, but he doesn't want me taking it all of the places that I want to, like the beach. My husband usually tells friends to look at http://www.steves-digicams.com/ for camera reviews.
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Reading with interest. I was just asking MaryM about her daughter's camera. I have some need to delve into this area.
Betsy, you intimidate me. I don't have time for all the business courses, but I know what you mean, it will save time in the long run.
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 Don't be intimidated. I wish I knew all of this because I am just plowing forward so blindly with out the time to learn these thing properly. But, if I had a teen that was interested in any of this I would be adamant that they learn the business side---it will pay off so much in the end.
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Betsy - you must be reading my mind. Whilst I did not put anything in the OP, I am thinking a lot about making my children (and myself) more entrepreneurial. Funnily enough - I know and can easily teach the business side of things (I am/was a CPA and ACA, and was a small business advisor in my previous life). My husband is keen for the kids to learn web design, programming etc. But I lack the skills in things like photography and the ability to take risks.
Thanks for all the photo resources. Sigh - why do good cameras have to be so expensive......
Hijacking my own thread - I think we should set up a new thread on homeschool moms being entrepreneurial, running their own businesses, making money etc.I think I am going through some kind of "forties" crisis when I am starting to think about what I will do when my kids are all graduated. I also really need to find some way of earning money whilst homeschooling. But is all seems so impossible as I am still teaching 5 (from preschool to high school)- and am challenged enough with teaching, running a house, cooking healthy food, etc etc
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Posting for Sarah. Sarah's photography has been published. Here is her flickr photography page so you can get a sense of her photography style. She is pursuing photography and graphic design after high school (she graduates this May).
Sarah and Leah (Machado) are good friends - and they both share a love of photography. Leah specializes more in portraits, whereas Sarah's specialty is macro (nature based). So, Leah's perspective would be helpful if you're looking more at people-based photography. Sarah's perspective is different since she's usually up close and personal with something (macro photography).
Sarah has purchased all of her own cameras. She started with a Canon T1i and she felt that camera allowed her to really learn HOW to use and be comfortable with a good camera. She felt it was a good camera to learn on, but this summer she upgraded to a Canon Rebel T3i. It's a higher resolution, has an lcd flip screen which is helpful if you're a photographer that is "all about a good angle" -- which Sarah is!  It also takes better pictures in lower lights. It's probably a camera that is somewhere closer to intermediate level than entry level camera, but if someone was serious about pursuing photography, this would be a good camera to start with and learn on and then continue with.
She recommends Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson as a basic *how-to-take-a-good-picture* book. She's read several of Peterson's books and finds his style and instruction to be understandable and easy to apply.
She also really recommends the Digital Photography School. It's a HUGE database of articles, tutorials, forum, etc that's a huge help!
Sarah is taking a few courses now, but is mostly self-taught. I wonder (I don't know...) if some folks just have a natural *eye* for photography? They see things in a way that they want to capture with the lens. I believe this is probably the case for Sarah anyway. All that to say, she's pretty much self-taught, although she says that a basic photography course to learn about the basic functions of a good camera (shutter speed, aperture, good exposure, understanding lighting, etc.) is valuable. She took a course locally, but I'm pretty sure Leah has some online resources.
As far as camera purchase - Sarah bought her first camera used and it was a great way to enter the camera market and get to know this type of camera. AND...when her first camera had an issue (which we could have repaired through Canon), we had the option to exchange her old camera and upgrade to a better one, which is what Sarah decided to do. It's a special program through Canon and it allowed her to save a considerable amount on her new camera purchase.
Hope Leah or Mary gets a chance to chime in!
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Betsy wrote:
One more thing....... [as I step on my soap box]....
For anyone that wants to have a career of selling their time or talents I STRONGLY suggest taking as many business courses as possible. If there is one thing that I have learned with my micro business is that you will need to wear many, many hats. I have had to quickly learn SOOOOO many things just to be able to sell and craft what I love!
Learn accounting, learn marketing, learn how to write well, learn how to manage your time, did I mention accounting, learn some graphic designs so you can make your own business cards and marketing materials, learn everything and anything about business!!!!!
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The photographer from my wedding who has since become a big name in the wedding and child photography business got her bachelor's in business, not art. It is clear from the success of her business that her saavy in business and marketing is as big a part in her success as her exceptional talents as a photographer.
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Jen - thanks for all the useful information. And for sharing Sarah's pictures. We are all sitting here oohing and aahing over her incredible photos. She certainly has a natural eye. She should enter the National Geographic, Smithsonian and AAA contests - her photos are as good as any of the winners I have seen.
My sons are more interested in nature photography too. Sadly our $100 cameras do not take the best shots - though believe me when I say we have MILLIONS of bird photos, tree photos, pond photos, lake photos, etc etc. They have a summer birthday coming up and they both have Saturday jobs in the Spring - so I am sure they can save up for a really good camera used at least. They really want to spend time in the summer learning how to take good photos.
DD will also be interested in this information. She is a writer, but some journalist type jobs she is going for require her to be able to take photos too.
I have a couple more questions for you or Sarah:
1. After graduation - where can you go/where online can you continue studying photography/graphic design?
2. What photo editing program does Sarah use? Are the free ones ok or are they just not as good as Photoshop/Lightroom (which are pricey)
Thanks so much to you and Sarah.
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Try looking into school versions. When I was asking about what to gets the sales person told me that if you are a student you should be able to get the full version of Photoshop and/or Lightroom at a reduced cost. From what I know photoshop is the standard, but I do use GIMP because it's open source and free.
(Oh, and I purchased Lightroom on a black friday special--so watch for specials too!)
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Many universities and junior colleges offer both programs, so look around to see what local options might be.
Online options:
Art Institute - Photography
Art Institute - Graphic Design
There are many, MANY others to consider but the Art Institute has been actively seeking Sarah's enrollment. I'm not sure she'll enroll with them, but that's a consideration.
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Photoshop. Make sure you purchase the student version which is less expensive.
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This is Mary's daughter, Leah. She asked me to chime in with my thoughts on this thread. 
I'm completely self taught and planning to pursue a career in wedding and portrait photography after I graduate this spring. For anyone that's interested, I'm currently using a Canon 5D MkII with the 50mm 1.4 and the 24-70mm 2.8 II. These were all serious investments I made after I was sure of where I wanted to go with my photography. The camera is professional grade and, with the lenses I've chosen, caters to my specific needs as a portrait photographer.
I use Adobe Lightroom for editing. I have found it to be more intuitive to work with than Photoshop. It really depends on what you're wanting to do to your photos though. My editing style is very minimalistic so Lightroom makes my job quick and easy.
I started with a Canon Rebel t1i (I have upgraded multiple times since) and would highly recommend one of the newer Rebel models (the t3i or t4i) to anyone interested in learning how to shoot with a DSLR. I would also check out comparable Nikon models (such as the D5200), especially for boys as I've heard that they tend to prefer the feel when shooting. I'd suggest going to Best Buy or another camera retailer and trying out both Canons and Nikons. Each brand's functionality is very different so I would pick one and stick with it so you don't have to relearn a new system if you upgrade. I can breeze through the setting on a Canon but fumble around a lot when handling a Nikon since I learned Canon's system first. A Canon or Nikon entry level camera with a kit lens runs between $500 and $700 new. To save money in the long run I would definitely recommend looking into a used, entry level camera body (around $300) from Adorama or B&H and then purchasing a new lens that suits the type of shooting you plan to do rather than buying a camera & kit lens bundle.
I would second the recommendation of the Digital Photography School website, that was where I gathered the basics of photography when I first started.
If I were to do one thing differently I would have started shooting in manual from the beginning. It sounds daunting at first but you really won't understand your camera until you know what each of the individual settings does. I read articles on exposure but didn't really understand what was happening until I tried shooting in manual and learned from trial and error how each part affected the resulting photo. Once you know how to shoot in manual you'll know when it's ok to let your camera choose some of your settings.
Also, read the entire manual for your camera. It's not the most interesting material but it will help you so much if you know how to access all of the settings your camera has to offer - even if you think you'll never use half of them.
Here are some articles that helped me when I was first starting out and that I suggest as the first things to look at if interested in learning how to take better photos. Composition and lighting can both be applied with any camera you have, exposure is the first thing you'll want to study when learning to work manually with an SLR.
Composition
5 Elements of Composition
5 More Elements of Composition
10 Rules of Composition and How They Work
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The basics of the exposure triangle, then delve into each of the pieces individually: ISO, aperature, and shutter speed.
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Leah - thanks so much for taking the time to contribute to this thread. I would love to see some of your portraits if you have a blog.
I have a question for you - what does "shooting in manual" mean - I keep seeing this all over the internet and have not idea what this mean?!!
Good luck with your photography career!
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I am sure Leah can answer this better, Marilyn, so I hope she jumps back in here, but here is my limited understanding.
There are three things that you can control on on your camera that effects your photograph: ISO, APERTURE and SHUTTER SPEED.
ISO: Is the film speed. The higher the number the lower light you need, the lower the number the more light you need.
APERTURE or "F": Is the opening that lets the light in. How big or small the opening in also affects how much of you view is in focus.
SHUTTER SPEED: this determines how long the shutter is open to let the right amount of light in. If you are holding the camera by hand you need a really fast shutter speed or your image will be blurry, if you use a tripod your shutter speed can be longer because your camera will be still.
When you shoot in automatic your camera will determine what it thinks its best for each of these settings. In manual you will set each of these setting based on what you are working on.
Now, if I understood how all three of these interacted better I would be in a much better place with my images. Luckily I am only shooting my designs so there isn't much variation in what I do......
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Betsy wrote:
I am sure Leah can answer this better, Marilyn, so I hope she jumps back in here, but here is my limited understanding.
There are three things that you can control on on your camera that effects your photograph: ISO, APERTURE and SHUTTER SPEED.
ISO: Is the film speed. The higher the number the lower light you need, the lower the number the more light you need.
APERTURE or "F": Is the opening that lets the light in. How big or small the opening in also affects how much of you view is in focus.
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This is Sarah.
What Mrs. Betsy said is correct. That's considered the photographic or the exposure triangle, and understanding how these three settings work on your camera (shooting manually) is key to understanding and getting the most out of a DSLR camera. It sort of boils down to this: if you don't plan on learning how to shoot manually - if you only use the DSLR on auto settings - then you're essentially using a VERY expensive point-and-shoot camera.
I used the automatic settings a lot at first, too, but to get a really unique shot in macro, I had to learn to adjust manual settings. The great thing about digital DSLR cameras is that to learn manual settings you can really adjust settings, point, shoot and see what you've done instantly.
I agree with Leah about reading the owners manual for your camera. Also check to see if Amazon offers a book specifically for your camera - for example, here's a book for my camera: Canon Rebel T3i for Dummies. I don't have this book, but I do have a few others that are specific to shooting with my camera and they helped me understand how to adjust manual settings for my specific camera.
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This is very true. I really like shooting with a flexible tripod and a camera remote in order to cut down on vibrations when taking a macro picture. The tripod is nice because it's small and easy to manipulate, so it could easily be set up on a tabletop, or wrapped around the leg of a table or something. It allows the angle to remain consistent through a series of shots while you manipulate settings to get lighting and shutter speed just right. I do feel like the extra things sometimes get in the way - sort of gets between me and the camera (and I still prefer the feel of just shooting alone: myself and the camera) - but I'm learning to work with them because they really are pretty essential to macro shooting on any level.
One more quick thing about Photoshop and Lightroom. They're both made by Adobe, but there is another consideration for photo editing, and this is what I use - Photoshop Elements (a lite version of the full Photoshop). I don't use the full version of Photoshop for a few reasons, but mostly because I do minimal editing with my photos and don't need the expensive editing the full (subscription only) Photoshop offers. And, I also don't use it because I've found that I can actually accomplish most of the techniques using other editing software - for example, I can airbrush power lines out of a photo with iphoto. Lightroom is essentially iphoto on steroids so I've been considering adding it. You can get a free trial of their site, so definitely try before you buy.
I've read that many photographers find that using Elements and Lightroom is enough and they don't bother with the full version of Photoshop. Also, many photographers don't like that you now can only subscribe monthly to Photoshop CC, you can't purchase the full software any more. Of course, the good thing is that if you wanted to try the full Photoshop suite for a month, it's much more affordable. You retain all your edited pictures if your subscription elapses, you just don't have access to the editing suite anymore, and a monthly subscription is a good way to "try it on."
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Thank you Sarah (and Betsy!)
The explanations are great Sarah - thank you for taking the time to educate me. I am so impressed by your knowledge and your ability - your photos on Flickr are just lovely.
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Betsy wrote:
I am sure Leah can answer this better, Marilyn, so I hope she jumps back in here, but here is my limited understanding.
There are three things that you can control on on your camera that effects your photograph: ISO, APERTURE and SHUTTER SPEED.
ISO: Is the film speed. The higher the number the lower light you need, the lower the number the more light you need.
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What Mrs. Betsy said is correct. That's considered the photographic or the exposure triangle, and understanding how these three settings work on your camera (shooting manually) is key to understanding and getting the most out of a DSLR camera. It sort of boils down to this: if you don't plan on learning how to shoot manually - if you only use the DSLR on auto settings - then you're essentially using a VERY expensive point-and-shoot camera. |
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Leah again.
I agree with all of the above. I would add that with digital cameras the ISO actually refers to the sensitivity of the camera's sensor to light, rather than the sensitivity of film to light.
My (bad) analogy is that shooting in automatic is like painting by number while shooting in manual is like having a blank canvas.
If your camera is choosing the ISO, aperature, and shutter speed then you're not completely in control. It makes it harder get the results you imagine. Without knowing how to control those things you won't be benefitting from having such a nice camera. In the digital age we have such easy access to these higher end cameras that people often think they'll immediately make you a better photographer. It's assumed that no one needs to know anything to take good photos anymore. But without any photographic knowledge, shooting with your camera set on auto, you really are just using a glorified point-and-shoot.
Here's a link to my portfolio and one to my blog, which I'm trying to get better at keeping updated.
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Leah - thank you again for all the information. And I really like your analogy. Love your portfolio and blog - I will have to send them to Abby, who will be so interested to see them. ( I can imagine her saying something like "wouldn't it be cool if she was local and could do my wedding photos"..............hastily adding that she does not have any wedding plans right now!!!!!!!!!)
As I said to Sarah - I am so impressed by how talented you young ladies are.
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Hi! This is Erica's daughter, Grace. I've been interested in photography for quite a while. I love capturing moments and being able to re-live fun times just by looking at a photograph.
When it comes to photography you don’t always need to shoot with a nice camera to take beautiful pictures. It’s really about having an eye for capturing beauty, so (in my opinion) any camera will do; even the camera on your iPhone can take an awesome picture. When looking for a nice camera to buy I would make sure that the megapixels are pretty high. I’ve heard that the Canon Rebel t3i is a great camera.
That being said, over the summer my parents and I had the opportunity to purchase a used Nikon D7000 from a good friend who was upgrading to a higher quality camera. She told me that she loved the Nikon she sold to us and I love it, too. =) My lens is similar to this one.
As far as editing, I prefer “raw” pictures. The only editing that I do is changing pictures to black and white, cropping, focusing on specific things, and sometimes making a photo lighter or darker.
Reading the manual, taking a class, googling, etc… all great ways to learn more about photography. Just keep snapping pictures and you’ll soon find out what your own creative style of photography is.
I post the pictures I take on Flickr.
I hope this helps. Good Luck!
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