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I want to replace the Young Men's Guide I have, but what is the best year to get and best publisher? I also need a copy of Catholic Girl's Guide too...
Are there any other spiritual reading books that you would recommend for ages 15-18ish?
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Donna Marie -
I got both my copies from Fraternity Publications. My only complaint is the font/typeset. I wish someone would reprint these classics in an easier to read typeset; these reprints are identical in every way to the originals.
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Fulton Sheen - we're enjoying and discussing together Calvary and the Mass right now, but there are many great books of his to consider.
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This one is from the 1938...which do you think is best?
Young man's Guide
The one I saw at your link was 1952, so I am wondering...
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No idea since I can't see inside the book. I would call both vendors and ask about the font, typeset, differences that they may know of. The folks at Fraternity Publications are super helpful, I'm sure the others are as well.
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Ladies, what age do you think the Young Man's Guide is appropriate for? The description of especially the section on the virtues sounds wonderful. Do you think 10 is too young?
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It would be too much for my 10 yo right now, Caroline. I think it's usually recommended for high school age boys, and I think that's probably when my husband will begin to approach this book with my son...around 12 or 13. There is specific direction and instruction on keeping company with young ladies, and custody of the eyes that, while extremely helpful, would be too much for my son at this age. The virtue section is quite deep and so wonderfully detailed and helpful! I love the concrete, objective examples Fr. Lasance gives to young men!
If I could suggest an alternative - I'm reading aloud through Conferences to Children on Practical Virtue and finding it a treasure! My 10 yo son is getting so much out of it! It's written directly to the child, but not at all in a dumbed down way! It makes for great Lenten reading and virtue building! I read a chapter aloud and then we discuss together.
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I need to correct myself. While my daughter's copy of The Catholic Girls Guide by Fr. Lasance has this problem, The Young Man's Guide is better. The font appears to be the same, but the pages are thicker, easier to read, and the print is clearer.
I would definitely call and ask about the pages before I spent cash to ask about the quality of the pages! Ask if the pages are thin and crinkly when you turn them (NOT easy to read) or thicker and not see-through (MUCH easier to read).
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Thank you for this suggestion!  I saw this in a post of yours...here or on your blog?...and thought it looked like a good choice, so now you reminded me I wanted to purchase it!
I'm glad to get your review on the Young Men's Guide; I really want to continue to focus on virtues and character development in this next year and need some new resources to keep it fresh. It's hard to find good Catholic resources for the middle years for boys that aren't too indirect, too imbued with popular culture, or too goofy, iykwim. Maybe this is a topic to address over in the "boys should be boys conversation", too. Plenty of direct character teaching for girls, not so much available for boys.
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I need to correct myself. While my daughter's copy of The Catholic Girls Guide by Fr. Lasance has this problem, The Young Man's Guide is better. The font appears to be the same, but the pages are thicker, easier to read, and the print is clearer. |
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Mea culpa!
Ugh! This is what I get for talking about a book that is NOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!!!! I am sitting here with BOTH books in front of me now. (  <-- me rolling my eyes at myself!!)
I realize now that I must have been confused and thinking of my copy of the Mother Love prayerbook, which looks similar (black, same size), and has lighter, crinklier pages. 
BOTH books have the same weight page. Neither are see through, and both have the same font/typeset. After flipping through The Catholic Girls Guide I can see why I had this memory regarding the typeset. At the beginning of the book, there are a few instances that it seems the ink sort of blobs so that the text isn't perfectly clear. It's usually just on one letter, and it's still readable, but it was annoying to me. It's only in the first third of our book, the rest is nice and dark and crisp. I have no idea if that is particular to my copy or would be repeated in other reprints of this book. The text of my copy of The Young Man's Guide is quite dark and crisp throughout. It's not my favorite font in terms of readability, but the darkness and crispness of the font make it readable.
Also, have some information for you, Donna Marie.
The Young Man's Guide
The copy I have from Fraternity Publishing is reprinted from the 1952 edition. The copyrights listed for this book are: 1910, 1938, 1946, 1952, Benziger Brothers. From the copyright page of the 1952 (reprint) edition:
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Nihil Obstat: John Fearns, S. T. D.
Imprimatur: Francis Cardinal Spellman
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Containing the text of the Ordinary of the Mass (except the Proper Parts) from the Editors' Uniform Text by Rev. W. H. Puetter, S. J.
Used with their permission.
The Indulgenced Prayers giving the latest Indulgences contained in this book are taken from "The Raccolta, or Prayers and Devotions Enriched with Indulgences, English Translation. Authorized by the Holy See, 1950," published and copyright by Benziger Brothers, Inc., New York. |
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So, your 1938 edition that you found would be two editions prior to the reprinted edition I have. I'm sorry I don't know if there would be differences.
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I have an original 1910. I'm just wondering if the copyrights were revisions, or just updated the copyright?
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It's hard to find good Catholic resources for the middle years for boys that aren't too indirect, too imbued with popular culture, or too goofy, iykwim. Maybe this is a topic to address over in the "boys should be boys conversation", too. Plenty of direct character teaching for girls, not so much available for boys.
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Oh, I agree...which is why I was so thrilled to find this other book!! I think you'll find it meaty and yet appropriate for a variety of ages.
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I was wondering that as well, Jenn.
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Me again. For some reason, The Young Man's Guide isn't readily online, but you can read Catholic Girl's Guide online.
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I thought I would bump this thread because I'm considering buying a copy of The Catholic Girl's Guide and noticed that there are a few other versions out there. I was wondering if anyone knew if these versions were a little easier to read than the one previously mentioned in this thread.
The ones I've found that looked at least somewhat promising are:
This one, from Lulu
And this one, on Amazon
The books are both about 9x6, which I think is larger than the Fraternity of St. Peter version? But they are paperback...
I've been reading the ebook version, but the bad characters are really starting to bug me! And this book seems like one that would be better as a physical book, since it has so much great content towards the back.
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them! Thanks!
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In that age group a student can read almost anything an adult can read -- my daughter loved Story of a Soul and Imitation of CHrist. Several of mine liked Dietrich von Hildebrand's Transformation in Christ though it is not easy reading.
A couple that I am planning for my 16 year old this year:
Catholic Book of Character and Success by Fr Edward Garesche SJ
Victory over Vice by FUlton SHeen. Sounds intimidating, but is a reflection on the seven capital vices and how to battle them, corresponding to Jesus's last words on the Cross.
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I purchase these two books (Catholic Girls Guide & Young Men's Guide, Lasance) for the children I love for 1st Communions usually, birthday's if I didn't have the chance :0) I pick them up on ebay, etsy, and occaisionally a thrift store or flea market. I have purchased the reprints, I think they are a good choice for a boisterous boy who is a danger to his books and others  or if I can't get an old one for a reasonable price and don't have any stashed. I also give vintage children's missals as gifts when I can.
I don't know the answer to the other questions, I just felt the urge to give my opinion. 
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Looking back at this old thread, I wonder if the only updates to the "Young Man's Guide" would be the Ordinary of the Mass, since that was changed several times over the decades.
I didn't catch the publishers, Amber, but at the RMCHEC in Denver, Linda Nelson of Sacred Heart Books and Gifts had two versions of these guides (Girls and Men). Knowing how the original are prayer book size, with very thin pages, these were quite different in look and feel just from the outside. The ones you linked above would be regular print paper, which makes the 720+ pages in a book VERY THINK. The size was a bit awkward, not usual. it wasn't paperback size, but it wasn't prayerbook size, in between, but so thick it was awkward.
I don't have them in front of me, but if I were to buy a new one I would lean toward Fraternity version that Jen linked to because it's closest to the original in size.
Or Angelus Press versions. Has anyone seen these? Or are they the Fraternity versions?
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Amber-v wrote:
I thought I would bump this thread because I'm considering buying a copy of The Catholic Girl's Guide and noticed that there are a few other versions out there. I was wondering if anyone knew if these versions were a little easier to read than the one previously mentioned in this thread.
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I'm sorry I haven't seen these particular versions to compare them for you, Amber, but I have seen a very good reprint I can review for you below. My guess is that these are scanned copies of original books, and I haven't always been pleased with the quality of those. I have seen some very good quality scanned reprints, and one of my favorite of these publishers that reprint high quality scanned copies are found at St. Augustine Academy Press. These publishers take time to align pages and ensure the best possible reading quality. I've seen others that are sometimes blurry, and sometimes the page isn't properly aligned so that it's "crooked" on the reprinted page. That irks me. So...I'm leary unless I know the publisher is fastidious about a high quality scanned reprint.
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I did look at this version of the book extensively while at the RMCHEC conference, too; the publisher is St. Augustine Academy Press (mentioned above) and you can find their version here.
I am a big fan of St. Augustine Academy Press - they reprint many older books and do a very good job. Often the books are completely re-typeset which renders the book much easier on the eye. This is the case with this version of The Young Man's Guide. Some of the books they reprint are high quality scanned versions. All of their reprints are high quality: nice quality paper, lovely covers, re-typeset copies have good, readable font.
To understand this review I want to explain that the original Benziger Brothers version of Fr. Lasance's The Young Man's Guide consisted of many reflections for the young man divided by topic and the last part of the book served as a missal and prayer/devotion book. This last section of missal, prayers, devotions takes up about 200 pages.
The St. Augustine Academy Press version of The Young Man's Guide is a good quality paperback, larger than the original black hardcover, and a little thicker, too. In order to shorten some of the book and reduce bulk, the missal and most of the prayers and devotions section was omitted from the reprint. A few of the prayers and devotions were left, including devotions for Confession. The entire first part of the book is reprinted with nothing removed or changed but because much of prayer/devotion section was removed, the book is considered abridged. I wanted you to know what is missing though.
It is a lovely reprint with high quality illustrations. I much prefer the font and typeset of the St. Augustine Academy Press book, finding it easier to read and gentler on the eyes than the original font and typeset.
If your family attends the Extraordinary Form, you might prefer the original book of The Young Man's Guide which can be ordered through Fraternity Publications because your child might enjoy following the Ordinary of the Mass using their book. (My daughter does this with the sister version of this book, The Catholic Guide For Young Women, and really likes using this as a Missal. She really likes the prayers after Mass.) If your family primarily attends the Novus Ordo, the Ordinary of the Mass as written in The Young Man's Guide (as well as in The Catholic Guide For Young Women) would be different and probably not useful for your young person. Therefore, you might prefer and really enjoy the reprinted version by St. Augustine Academy Press. Or, if you primarily attend the Extraordinary Form, and your child already has a nice missal they enjoy using, you might not feel the missal/prayer/devotion section is necessary, and might prefer to order the reprinted (abridged in length) book from St. Augustine Academy Press.
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Yes. This Fraternity version as well as the one below (from Angelus Press) are smallish books, a good size, convenient for tucking in a purse or bag, but this comes at a price: thinner pages (more like a missal thickness) and smaller font.
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I have seen these versions. The Angelus Press books are the exact same versions as sold by Fraternity: same size, same paper quality, same typeset.
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Wow, I don't usually disagree with Jen. If this is one of the books that St. Augustine is not just doing a photocopy of the original, but is retyping and reformatting the book, then it will be a better copy. In that way, it is easier to read.
But I still found the overall size not comfortable, but I know it's because I have the original size and compare others to that.
I'll differ in opinion -- I haven't found all their other reprints great. It's a mixed bag IMHO.
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Well I'm glad you shared your opinion!
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Correct. This is completely re-typeset. For a really good explanation on the time and attention paid to quality of the St. Augustine Academy Press reprints, read here.
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You're correct in that the reprint is bulkier and thicker than the original. But the quality of the typeset is significantly improved, so if I had a child that needed quality typeset, this is the version I'd choose over the smaller sized original.
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I don't disagree entirely here. It's true that photographic reprints aren't always the best quality. I much prefer the books that are completely re-typeset! Sometimes the original quality of the print (in the original book) is so bad that there is only so much that can be done to improve it. In those cases, a decision has to be made by me, the purchaser, regarding the value of the content of the book over the (potential) quality of print. I also have to consider the young eyes which may be reading the book. My children do okay with the font in the original (smaller, black hardcover books), but I do know of some children whose eyes would be truly stressed with that font quality. So this is certainly something to consider.
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The Little Children's Prayer Book by Mother Mary Loyola is one I really looked forward to getting, but I was just so disappointed by the formatting of the book. The pictures were awkwardly placed and the text flowed in strange ways. So that's why I hesitate -- it's not just the photocopies.
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