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OK, all you helpful people who are probably wishing MacB. would just finish her kitchen and invite us all over to visit and have coffee and tea, and margaritas... 
I am considering a double sink, with a farm style apron, in white. I will not have a garbage disposal (I compost), but I would like to reserve one side for veggies, and one side for dishes. I have a dishwasher, but I do wash crystal and some pans by hand (and Revere Ware polishing).
Can I expect that the kids will forget which side is for veggies, and give up that idea?
I have also heard that some double sinks are cumbersome for hand-washing large pots and pans. Thoughts?
Viv, I know you had some thoughts on sink material...
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I've never got to choose a sink. I think I've always grown up with a double sink, so I can't think differently. I think the positives outweigh the negatives. I do some hand washing, and it's always nice to have one side of the sink with the dishes in the water and a rinse side. Plus, if I'm using one side of the sink (like defrosting in water, soaking a pot) I still have free use of another side of the sink.
I have just a standard stainless steel double sink, equal on both sides, disposal on one side. That's what the house came with, I didn't pick it.
If I could design my own sink I would have one side bigger and deeper, to accomodate larger pots to wash. But I don't like the tiny sink next to the larger one, that defeats my usual way of cleaning dishes. It is a negative on the double sink, but I've always managed to get my pots clean somehow! Those large, deep one sinks that seem more like utility sinks intimidate me!
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I love my large, deep sink in my Maryland house. It's just deep and wide enough so you can bathe a baby in it (without bending down to reach a baby tub or lean into a bathtub).
I have had many, many sinks in 20 years of moving. Double sinks are OK, but I use BIG pots. They don't fit. My parents have one of those sinks with a tiny side (that's where the garbage disposal is) and a big, deep side. It's OK, but the deep side still isn't quite wide enough for some of my pots.
When I chose our sink in MD, I picked one the same size and shape as my original sink, but about 3" deeper. No fancy stuff, just easy-to-sterilize stainless steel.
MacBeth, I imagine you could make a little laminated sign for each side until the children become used to the veggie side and the dishes side. (Or, you could just have a big "NO" sign on the veggie side!!! Just kidding!!!)
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Just one more thought...usually dedicated sinks I've seen are detached and away from the usual sink. I think it would be hard to keep one side dedicated.
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JennGM wrote:
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I do have one sink dedicated to vegetables.
But, you're right, it's across from the regular double sink. My vegetable sink is a deep, wide, single sink. It is also useful for soaking my stove components. I love it, but I guess that would mean major plumbing issues in a remodeling project. Mine was new construction.
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Love stainless, hate the composite sink I have. That said, the nightly bleaching the sinks get cuts down on fruit fly infestation/reproduction in the warm months.
I have a full size sink in the island and a double sink, both large sinks, on the wall counter, next to the dishwasher .
I wash in the left and have the dishdrainer in the right. I wash veggies in whatever sink is free, usually the island sink.But if I have alot, after a trip to the market, I use the dishdrainer after washing. Why do you have a dedicated sink for the veggies? Just curious.
If you are looking at small/bar sinks, try to do something in it. I find them too small.
Also check your placement. If you place a sink too close to a wall, elbows get in the way.
We also have the soap dispenser in the counter. I put dish soap in that for hands and dish washing.
Faucets--since you are starting from scratch, can you put a faucet behind the stove for large pot filling?
I don't think anyone is tired of the kitchen planning, we are all living vicariously through you!
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guitarnan wrote:
| I love my large, deep sink in my Maryland house. It's just deep and wide enough so you can bathe a baby in it (without bending down to reach a baby tub or lean into a bathtub). |
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This sounds similar towhat my parents have, and I LOVE! It is the size of a double sink but just one big basin with the drain/garbage disposal in the center. They've never had a dishwasher unless you mean those named Michele, Marc, John, Rachel, Anthony, Catherine, and Granmda.  The solution to washing and rinsing in one big sink is to use a dishpan. Mom rinses and flips it to dry off when the dishes are done. Can you do that with veggies? I don't understand the dedicated sink for veggies, I guess....
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MacBeth wrote:
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When we remodeled we put in this double sink. I find it to be just fine for even very large pots. The basins go very close to the sides and front (not much rim at all) and the scallop shape adds more room for frying pans with long handles. Now the apron front ones I've seen don't seem to have basins this wide or long.
Personally I have hated when we have lived in houses without the double sink, so I'm partial to having a double basin.
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I have a double sink. One side is a narrow vegetable side. My kids totally don't get this at all. They wash fruits and vegetables wherever and, frankly, have trouble keeping peelings contained to the narrow side. The other side is a wider-than-average size. My sink is porcelain and I do love that. I don't use bleach (exxcept once when I tried to FLY lady my sink) but it cleans up nicely. My vote is farm style with the apron. My friend Julie has a deep sink but instead of the apron, her dh helped her really young chilren make a mosaic. It's darling and adds so much charm to her kitchen! I'm going to try to get a picture...
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My kitchen sink is identical to this. My m-i-l put it in years ago when they remodeled. Gotta have double, hands down. The only thing I don't like about porcelain is it marks up, leaving black streaks. A brush and Lysol cleaner dulls the streaks but doesn't make it pretty again. At least once a week I have to get my dh on the job.  He can shine my sink leaving sparkles behind. For some reason I don't have the "cleaning elbow" that he has. 
I think I'll go stainless when we remodel this kitchen. It'll have to be double again.
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Here's my sink.
My veggie one, that is. I garden and can and freeze. I like to have that big one for the food prep and my double sink for washing jars.
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Thanks for the sink advice  , everyone. I think I will stick with the double sink...I am still considering stainless, as I have always had stainless, but I do like white. I especially appreciate the photos, folks!
As for a veggie sink, I figured it would be better to keep veggies away from any sink where I use copper cleanser and other harsh pot cleaning substances, but it might be just me being silly.
Anyway, I have blogged some of the kitchen project here. The color at the top is the color I think I will do the floor. Maybe. Most of the work I have posted so far was done last spring, but I am nearing the present quickly. I even primed the floor over the weekend.
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oooh, pine! i am so envious. that fixture isn't so bad, in an old-world type kitchen that would be lovely. are you DIYing the whole thing? wow, i admire you. maybe you could write my hubby and tell him it's not as bad as he thinks it could be. i dream of DIYing our own kitchen but i'm afraid it'll stress out the hubby more than it would me. more pics please!
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stefoodie wrote:
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Stef,
Do you realize how long this is taking her? I think it IS as bad as he thinks .
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Stef,
We DIY for 9 years. It takes a sense of adventure?! and willingness to live with plenty of dust the the noise of Shop vacs, Saws-Alls, hammering etc.
In retrospect, I would do it again--imagine the luxury of saying to your live in cabinet maker that you need a space, just so... I loved knowing where the wood was from and watching the children help along.(Forgetting the late tiling nights when we had to do it after the girls were asleep) Ah, my rosy glasses.
DH would not do it again, and after our fire he did not do it, but we salvaged plenty of the prefire stuff. Maybe he would choose not to do as much--hire out some of the electrical, drywall, and plumbing stuff--pretty sure he would do the flooring, cabinet, and door making though.
Is there something your DH likes to do? Maybe that is a good start. How about you, are you an undiscovered wood worker, tile layer, painter?
BTW, if you like pine flooring, it is pretty easy to do and Rick has convinced more than one person to lay a few. (Ask Donna if it is too bad, we are so involved with the house building thing my frame of reference is shot)
Maybe piecemeal will get you that dream kitchen
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Wait! If you're going to get a double sink (maybe this as already said above, but I didn't see it) DON'T FORGET to get a tall faucet.
Mine is short and its ridiculous to wash larger items under. You'll have that center hump to deal with.
Bad design- too low
Better design- tall
I was just giving examples of shapes in the links. I don't know the specifics of the faucets I linked.
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lilac hill wrote:
I wash veggies in whatever sink is free,. . .
Why do you have a dedicated sink for the veggies? Just curious.
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Yeah, Why do you need a separate sink?
Is this one of those homemaking things I was never taught? 
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Sarah wrote:
Wait! If you're going to get a double sink (maybe this as already said above, but I didn't see it) DON'T FORGET to get a tall faucet.
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The one I chose is very tall...
I'll upload a photo to the blog-thing.
The dedicated veggie sink is just a personal preference
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MacBeth -- maybe I missed the original, original post but -- are you remodeling just an ordinary house or an old house? I would love someday to get an old farmhouse and fix it from the bottom up.
Just curious....
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I just want to add that the porcelain sinks are "harder" and dishes break in them more easily. In other words, if you drop a glass intoa stainless sink, you've got a chance of it not breaking due to a little "give" or something. Drop a glass or ceramic cup into a porcelain sink even from a small distance and kiss it goodbye. Other than that, I love my white porcelain double sink. I don't have a dishwasher so it gets heavy use here!
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