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Dear Friends,
I feel sure this is the right place to come for some good suggestions on historical literature.
At our co-op next year, I would like to teach a class called "A Narrative Approach to American History." I would like to study one book per month for a total of 8 books, and sort of break up American history into 8 chunks that would coincide with those books.
For example: Reading Uncle Tom's Cabin to study the Civil War.
This would be a high school level class, and would involve a writing component and discussion component as well.
However, I want some good books that might be off the beaten path. I am open to suggestions of both fiction and non-fiction and would be looking for titles that would fit in these sub-categories:
Colonial America to the Civil War
Western Expansion
Pre-lude to WW1
WW1
The Great Depression
WW2
The Cold War through Space Exploration
The 1970's through Current Events
Any help that you voracious bibliophiles could offer would be most appreciated.
As an aside, are there any of you other mom's who would be interested in following this curriculum with your own kids? Part of the class will be an on-line chat component, and it might be fun to have more kids involved in the dialogue.
Feel free to post your replies here, or pm me!
Thanks in advance!
Sara Beatty
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No one has any ideas? Not even one?
Come on, ladies, throw this dog a bone!
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What grade level?
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I have a couple of ideas, Sara...but I don't have computer time again until later tonight. I'll try to get back later.
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Lara Sauer wrote:
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Hi, Sara, this is a fun and challenging (how to narrow down!) topic and one I'm sure others are interested in. My blink response is biography and autobiography.
When do you start? If you have time, I'd recommend bumping this topic, especially after May. I know that many members aren't here as often during April and May as they wrap up their home studies for the year. Oh, and I'll put a note at The High School Years to see if we get any help there.
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I recalled this thread for you to browse specifically for WWI era titles. WWI Read Alouds
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Hey Sara - we are doing American History and Lit for A. for Grade 10 next year ( sigh - I keep wanting to come and check out your co-op but have not had a second...) I am in the process of typing up all my plans. Will post here when done - or can talk to you. Maybe I will see you at the concert next week - I am going to actually make the pre-concert dinner this time...I hope?
Much to write - but Sat is baseball and soccer day - and I seem to be in the "season" where I just cannot find any online time.
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Angie Mc wrote:
[ I know that many members aren't here as often during April and May as they wrap up their home studies for the year. Oh, and I'll put a note at The High School Years to see if we get any help there.
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Angie - I am glad you mentioned this. It just seems a season for me of not being online - just so much going on with baseball, soccer, end of year music and ballet concerts, and of course finishing off this school year and planning for the next.
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Lara
We studied American History last year, my dd was 15 at the time. I've recorded the books we used with more details at my book website. Not being American I gathered my ideas from various lists and catalogues. Some of the following may be too light for your class but I'll include anyway as dd enjoyed them all.
War of Independence
John Treegate's Musket by Leonard Wibberely
The Reb and the Redcoats by Constance Savery
The Swamp Fox of the Revolution by Stewart H. Holbrook
Early Thunder by Jean Fritz
Ben Franklin of Old Philadelphia by Margaret Cousins
Guns for General Washington by Seymour Reit
Becky Landers by Constance Lindsay Skinner
Civil War
An Enemy Among Them by DeFord and Sotut
Rifles for Watie by Harold Keith
Westward Expansion
Calico Captive by Elizabeth George Speare
By the Great Horn Spoon by Sid Fleischman
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Sara I have gone through my notes and typed some up for you. Just wanted to mention the following though:
1)I know that you will have various high school ages. What I have found is that there are many of the high school American Hitory/Lit texts which are really only suitable for upper high school but not for lower. When catering for a mixed group like yours - you will need to preview for suitability and mature content. My husband and I have been reading various texts - and after discussing some more this weekend because I was typing this list up for you - we may delay American Hist and Lit to Grade 11.
2)My plan is do American History and American Lit together for 2 credits - thus my various books are all "American genre" - if you are considering History only, you may be ok with using texts not considered American fiction. eg for the 2WW.
3) I know that you are not teaching an "only Catholic" group - so have left out texts that are definitely Catholic texts
I can discuss with you this Friday. Anyway here is some of our booklist which I have tried to put into your categories
American Revolution/Founding Fathers:
Miracle at Philadelphia
Founding Father - George Washington
Benjamin Franklin’s Autobiography
Johnny Tremain
John Treegate’s Musket
Peter Treegate’s War
Civil War:
Across Five Aprils
Killer Angels
The Red Badge of Courage
Rifles for Watie
The long road to Gettysburg
Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass
Uncle Tom’s Cabin
The Unvanquished
Westward Expansion:
Death Comes For the Archbishop
My Antonia
By the Great Horn Spoon
Bold Journey - West with Lewis and Clark
A Lantern in her Hand
Hattie Big Sky
On to Oregon
Bound for Oregon
Turn of the Century/Pre WW1:
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn
Cold Sassy Tree
WW1:
After the Dancing Days
A Farewell to Arms
The Singing Tree (not really the US I guess)
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Sorry - I left out half my list
1920’s era:
Great Gatsby
Great Depression:
To Kill a Mockingbird
Bud not Buddy
WW2:
Journey to America
A Separate Peace
(lots of books - but hard to find “American lit” ones)
The Chosen
The Cold War:
Ronald Reagan Biography - Noonan?
God’s Smuggler - (not really American Lit)
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Just to mention too that IEW has an American literature analysis book (Janice Campbell) which looks very interesting - I am going to preview it soon....
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I have been hesitant to post here as I saw that you were looking for literature specifically. I have a lot of histories (not texts), first hand accounts and biographies that certainly read like narratives - but aren't technically in the genre of fiction/literature. If you want this, let me know, and I'll try to post some.
I might be of more help if I understood better the goal of a narrative approach to history - so I'm letting others respond who are more familiar with this approach. (I use literature in my approach - but not by itself). My one caution is that literature isn't always very accurate history and works like Unlce Tom's Cabin are caricatures written for a specific purpose rather than rendering any kind of factual information. They are worthy reads and great spurs for discussion in all kinds of ways - but taken as a quick literary snapshot of a time and place, not always very good depending on what you are using it to represent.
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Dear Ladies,
Thanks for the input!
Marilyn! WOW! You really have put some time into this approach. I am looking forward to wading through some of the books that you have suggested. Perhaps we can talk more at the band concert dinner. Your caveat about the level and subject material is a good one and one I intend to pay heed to. I am planning this class for my two sons (Senior and Sophomore as of next year), but I know that since the class is being taught at the co-op, that some parents will want to put their younger kids in the class...which could cause some problems.
Erin, thanks for the book suggestions. Since you have already finished the subject, I would be curious to know how you used them as a resource. Did you have your daughter write papers? Take test? Discuss? Any ideas wold be great.
Janet, I am by no means an expert on the "narrative approach" to learning, but the literature will only be one aspect of the class. I want a medium that can serve as a spring board for discussion. My husband will be co-teaching with me, and he is a history major. One of the things that I intend to do with the stories is to discuss them for their historical accuracy. I would also like to use them to discuss what must necessarily be the subjectiveness of history. So much to tell...so little time! I intend to bring in some non-fiction texts, like perhaps Whitaker Chambers autobiography, "Witness" for when we are studying communism and the Cold War. Essentially, when I talk about a "narrative approach" I mean that I want to steer clear of anything that smacks of a textbook, and rather want to turn to primary sources. Timeline, yes...textbook, no!
Thanks again for taking the time to reply. If anyone else feels like they could add to the conversation, I would be most appreciative.
I won't be teaching the class until next fall, but I really want to have the format of the class and the booklist chosen no later than the end of May, as I will need the summer to read the books and come up with some topics of discussion, essay topics, and even test questions.
Again, thanks for humoring me!
Cheers,
Sara Beatty
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Sara - from a historical point of view I just want to point out two sources that you and your husband may find interesting - though not sure how you would fit them into the narrative approach or into coop.
1) The Teaching Company dvds on US History - love them and am waiting for them to go on 70% off sale so that I can justify buying them. They are excellent - like having an interesting university professor in your living room. Even my elementary age children enjoy some of the Teaching Co dvds
2) I am considering using Critical Thinking in United States History by the Critical Thinking Co. Like the Teaching Co - not cheap but certainly "nutritionally dense"
See you Friday.
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Dear Marilyn,
I am not familiar with the Teaching Company, so I will do some web-surfing to see what they have.
I have a number of critical thinking books from the the Critical Thinking Co, but I didn't realize that they had a History type book. I will have to check into as well.
Thanks again for your help!
Peace to your day!
Sara
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Lara Sauer wrote:
Essentially, when I talk about a "narrative approach" I mean that I want to steer clear of anything that smacks of a textbook, and rather want to turn to primary sources. Timeline, yes...textbook, no! |
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This is more clear to me and opens up your options more than what I had originally thought you meant.
You might find A Student's Guide to U.S. History by Wilfred McClay (download or paper) to be a help. His "canon" of essential books for students of American history listed in the back includes:
- Henry Adams, The Education of Henry Adams
- James Bryce, The American commonwealth
- Whittaker Chambers, Witness
- John Dewey, The Child and the Curriculum and The School and Society
- Frederick Douglas Narrative
- W. E. B. Du Bois, The Souls of Black Fold
- Ralph Ellison, Invisible Man
- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Nature and Essays, First Series
- F. Scott Fitzgerald The Great Gatsby
- Benjamin Franklin Autobiography
- Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay The Federalist
- Nathaniel Hawthorne The Scarlet Letter
- William James Pragmatism
- D. H. Lawrence, Studies in Classic American Literature
- Abraham Lincoln, Speeches and Writings
- Herman Melville, Moby-Dick
- Perry Miller and Thomas Johnson, eds., The Puritans
- David Riesman, et al., The Lonely Crowd
- George Santayana, "The Genteel Tradition in American Philosophy" and Character and Opinion in the United States
- Harriet Beecher Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin
- Henry David Thoreau, Walden
- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America
- Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
- Booker T. Washington, Up from Slavery
- Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass and Democratic Vistas
- Richard Wright, Black Boy
He also recommends the two volumes of David Hollinger and Charles Capper, eds., The American Intellectual Tradition which he calls "a conveniently organized, judiciously selected, and usefully annotated collection of some of the most influential American works and writers, put together by two of our best intellectual historians."
I just copied his list because I am not knowledgeable enough to filter it completely for you. However, you could consider taking excerpts from some of the heavier volumes (like Democracy In America or The Federalist) to study rather than the entire text. I'm sure there are things that might not be appropriate for a younger high school class--he is writing this book and list for college students. But I thought you might find the list useful. The anthology he recommends could be helpful as well.
Also, I acquired a lot of my personal American source material as a college student who participated in a Liberty Fund conference. I still haven't *read* most of them, lol, but their catalog of booksmight be a source of inspiration for you in finding source material for American studies.
For full disclosure, my husband works for the organization that publishes the study guide I recommended.
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Dear Lindsay,
Thanks for the recommended resources. I will go over them with my husband. The history guide would be convenient to have, and the price is not excessive.
I like some of the recommendations in the list. Some of them I am familiar with, others I probably should be!
When my husband brings in the "history" component, he probably will used portions of the texts that you recommended. The Federalist Papers are pretty dense and could consume an entire semester on its own!
Suffice it to say, I really appreciate all of you taking the time to share your ideas!
If you are just stumbling upon this post for the first time, please feel free to jump in.
Are there any W.E.B. du Bois experts out there? I am curious...
Thanks,
Sara
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Sara
Thought of something else - we use Timeline figures from Homeschool in the Woods (I have the cd) - we also use their Timeline Notebook - started these off with my first children though you can print off free timeline notebooks at various places(eg at Simply Charlotte Mason)
We also use Knowledge Quest Blackline Maps of History for all our history - incuding the American History set.
(I do use some textbooks too - though usually as a reference for ME - for high school I am using Christ and the America's and Joy Hakim's History of the US which I like despite not agreeing with her position in some circumstances)
I had some pms about my book lists. We have a ton of American History and literature books on our lists. I just picked out some that fit into your criteria. But there are others that are seen as "musts" for US lit eg Thoreau, Hawthorne, Steinbeck, Twain - also different genres such as plays (The Crucible, the Glass Menagerie) and poetry such as Robert Frost - but I don't think they fit into your "historical fiction"
I will try and post all the other books this week - good chance to organize myself. There are just so many - we are huge on historical fiction in our house
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That really opens things up a lot - and I have tons of biographies and narrative histories that would work.
Bruce Catton's History of the Civil War is great. My children, young and old devoured it and it read like a narrative. This was recommended to us by a History professor.
The American Revolutionaries - A History in their own Words 1750 - 1800 By Milton Meltzer
A lot of the tomes (very good histories but challenging read and sometimes lengthy and older language) recommended by others for excerpts - like de Tocqueville. Another history that is a fun read is Modern Times by Paul Johnson - but again may be more appropriate for your purposes for excerpts. A good reading of the Declaration of Independence is in order!
There are tons of Landmark books which will have the 50s and 60s flavor but tell a story in more narrative way with more interesting details. It is a quick way to make some connections of events. American Background books, etc. These are quick reads that a highschooler could read in a few hours at one sitting - read better than a text and help put things in a sequence or make connections. Of course someone knowledgeable on history will have to address the bias of the 50s.
James Bowie by Sharon Garst is one my 9th grade son enjoyed. Geronomo by Ralph Moody and The Sante Fe Trail by Samuel Hopkins Adams, The Cumberland Gap and Trails West by Edith McCall and Tecumseh Destiny's Warrior are some of the ones my 9th grader recommended as fairly objective.
He also recommended The US Marine Corps Story by J Robert Moskin - it is too long for your purposes but might be a source of reads for periods uncovered. It covers every battle the marines fought in beginning with the American Revolution. Also military re-looks for lessons learned from Battles will cover some of the things that might be whitewashed in typical histories. Makers of Modern Strategy look at military stategy.
The other things are first hand accounts - from WWII there are a ton. Stephen Ambrose is the least problematic in terms of language and inappropriate detail that we have found other than memories written by Germans. Our 9th and 12th grader both enjoyed Stephen Ambrose's work. Others include things like Stillwell and the American Experience in China (not the way the Chinese would remember the event but it is Stillwell's attitude), The Flying Tigers.
My 8th/9th grader really loved reading memories written by WW II Luftwaffe pilots (understand that he liked their planes, not the philosophy of their government), and also WWII submarine memories. U Boat Commander by Peter Cremer is one my son particularly liked (from the German pov). The Terrible Hours by Peter Maas (American pov). War in the Boats My WWII Submarine Battles by CApt Willian J Ruhe USN (Ret.), Submarine by Commander Edward L Beach, USN. These were very clean - even in language - but also humorous in many places. Others in my house read things from American pilots, and such, there are a ton to chose from but preview in terms of language. If they spend much time talking about down time - then probably skip it. Some also tend to have a uniquely combat sense of humor and it can seem macabre and might upset some. For war in the Pacific, he recommended Line of Departure: Tarawa by Martin Russ. He also liked Dec. 7 1941 The Day the Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor by Gordon W. Prange - compilation of different folks narratives with background info. The Battle of Leyte Gulf by Edwin P Hoyt. The last two my son said were awesome but they are more focused on the battle and less narrative - so maybe those would only be for the history buff.
Other reads - MacArthur has a ton of bios on him and that would touch on aspects of the Korean War. There are also biographies of some of the Medal of Honor recepients from the Korean War.
There are a ton of narrative type history that give more details of often overlooked campaigns - We were looking most particularly for things describing what my FIL might have experienced with the Thunderbirds in WWII.
There are books like The Erie Canal by Ralph Andrist (by the editors of American Heritage history magazine). There is also an old series on the inventors (Immortals of Engineering). The biography of Samuel Morse in this covers a period from 1800's till his death in 1872. Many of these address engineering and invention and technology but also touch on some of the political and social history aspects as well as they interrelate to the inventor.
For later periods or wider periods- Nuremburg to Mai Lai (war crimes trials), When Hell was In Session (experiences of Naval flyer POW in vietnam for 8 years), Makers of Modern Strategy, The World's Greatest Speeches. Calvary in China (communist takeover in China in one small village and the experiences of the Bishop of the area - though not technically a US history it does give some insight into the beginnings of the cold war), The Worlds' Greatest Speeches, The Encyclopedia of Battle (as reference).
There are a number of biographies of various presidents in various series published in the 50s and 60s -Tippenoe and Tyler too for example(these are biased but if you are also reading other stuff it is great). We got all of ours from library sales. Biographies of some of the great Indian chiefs, for the same period or being able to discuss things from a little different perspective make these a fun, quick way to cover a lot of time.
Wild Bill and the Pony Express - not exactly a demanding read for highschoolers nor a reputed history - but it does help connect sequence of events and makes stunningly apparent how short lived the pony express was.
Those are all narratives - some written by respected historians - some not. Also many of the books recommended by others (Frederick Douglass, Up From Slavery (this was a more boring read to my children - but one of my favorites and a man I respect immensely, etc. are on our list as well). Be sure to include lives of some of the Southern Generals like Lee and Stonewall Jackson.
Slave to Priest A Biography of Rev. Augustine Tolton (1854-1897) the first Black priest of the US.
Literature: Not already mentioned
The Magnificent Mariner by FA Lane is about a fictitous person who is placed with John Paul Jones and thus tells the story of those early Naval battles.
The Marylanders by Anne Heagney - about the troubles in the early colony of Maryland.
Ben and Me by Robert Lawson (younger readers)
Cacique A Novel of Florida's Heroic Mission History by Bishop Robert J Baker.
Carry on Mr Bowditch (I think was already recommended as are most of the other literature that we tend to read for the period)
One idea that might help if you end up with sweeping age groups is to send choices for reads home with student and parent (and you could note any that are for more mature readers or in some way give a heads up to the parents) and let them pick from a variety - some that would be suitable for even the youngest and most sensitive in the group. Then they can write reports on these and share some aspects of what they learned with the group. You cover things from more angles that way and the report will eliminate the goriest details or the bad language or .... It also allows for a wide variety of interests. We do this a lot in my family where I have an airplane buff, a musician, a fun-loving project person who likes everyday life or weapons, a history buff who likes battles and strategy, and others where I'm still just trying to entice them to something and it better be action packed - and a wide range of ages. Don't know if that would work considering the group you are dealing with and the setting but an idea to throw out.
Janet
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