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Our DRE just sent me samples of the test my daughter has to pass in order to receive her FHE. Most of the questions were fairly simple, but there were a few that I was unsure of the correct answer. So, I'm going to post them to you, ladies, for better understanding.
1. The Eucharist is the Real Presence of
A. God B. Jesus C. Both A and B
This kind of seems like a trick question. My guess is that they are looking for "B", but since Jesus and God are one it could possibly be "C".
2. When I enter the church I bless myself and genuflect towards the:
A. Altar B. Crucifix C. Tabernacle
I believe the answer is "C", but just checking.
3. Mary and the angels are at Mass because we
are with Jesus on the Cross then.
True or False
I assume True, but this just seems like such an odd question.
4. Mary is the “Second ______”. ???
5. Jesus is the “Second _________”. ???
6. The six forms of prayer are:
1. C___________________________
2. T___________________________
3. P___________________________
4. I____________________________
5. P___________________________
6. A___________________________
I understand there are different forms of prayer. I assume one of the P's is petition, but I'm not quite sure what they're looking for in the rest.
7. Jesus is with us for up to t__________ minutes after receiving Him in the form of the Eucharist.
Thirty??? Although, I had never heard that before.
I find this situation very frustrating. Partly because I know there were gaps in my own education for FHE, and partly because I wonder how much of this is "school-ese", where the child (or parent) might know the answer but not be able to use the exact terminology they are looking for.
And I also don't want to look like an idiot, because I know quite a bit about Catholicism but obviously still learning all of the time. I guess it's just the same whole homeschooling issue of feeling like you have to not only be as good as but even better than "the professionals".
I'm just waiting for the DRE to say, "Well, if you can't answer these questions yourself maybe you should send your kid to RE classes", but we haven't felt like that is the right move for our daughter or our family. And that's not even fair to the DRE, since she's always been really cool about everything. Just feeling a little over-whelmed I guess.
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Well, I think I could answer most of those but since I don't sound to myself much more sure than you.. I'll only answer the ones I'm absolutely sure of. 
4. Mary is the “Second ______”. Eve
5. Jesus is the “Second _________”. Adam
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The forms of prayers.. I thought that one would be easy to look up.. but I'm not finding an official "6 forms" but maybe these?
Contemplation?
Thankgiving
Petition
Intercession
Praise
Adoration (blessing)
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I understand your frustration with the test and the questions, Barbara. They are poor test questions - I so much prefer questions that reflect an understanding. I don't think these do and these that are left are mostly a bit vague or just odd.
#1 They better be looking for B Jesus. Answering C Both, to me would I think represent a heresy of some sort. Because Jesus is God that would be a given and saying "Jesus and God" would stress a separateness. Though I'm sure I'm not explaning in a theologically precise way. I think it is more accurate to say Christ is present in his full nature - both God and man.
catechism wrote:
| 1374...that is to say, it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present. |
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#2 is C tabernacle.
#3 is a very odd question, I agree.
#6 My understanding from the Cathechism (paragraphs 2626 - 2643) is that there are 5 forms of prayer (the ones Jodie listed for T, P, I, P, A). I don't know what they could want for C???
#7
catechism wrote:
| 1377The Eucahristic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsists |
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is as specific as the Cathecism gets. At some point after being consumed the species no longer subsists obviously because of the biological changes involved with digestion. Assigning a specific time seems like only a biological guess and not doctrinal. Help anyone?
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#6 maybe the "C" is for contemplative prayer?
But, I agree, some of these questions are very confusing.
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As regards #7 I'd say twenty, only because it's closer to 15 than thirty, and a very holy priest once told me that 15 min. is a good guage for the Real Presence after consumption of the Holy Eucharist.( a memorable sermon on how awful it is that people leave right after recieving HE, w/o a proper thanksgiving) HTH
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I thought "Contemplation" is a "level" of prayer, versus "kind" or "form".
Maybe Contrition or Confession? I know when we do prayer in our faith group (Catholic/Christian) we follow ACTS -- Adoration Contrition/Confession Thanksgiving Supplication.
Re the minutes, I recently heard THIRTY from a friend whose child is in Catholic school -- that's not what I heard in Catechism when I was a child but then I've got the gaps too so I can't say that with certainty.
#3 is strange, but I'd tend to say YES because we're supposed to be with them -- Church Triumphant and Church Militant together worshipping Jesus/God.
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MaryM wrote:
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catechism wrote:
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is as specific as the Cathecism gets. At some point after being consumed the species no longer subsists obviously because of the biological changes involved with digestion. Assigning a specific time seems like only a biological guess and not doctrinal. Help anyone? |
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Ten - fifteen minutes is what I've been taught. Opus Dei encourages you to pray after Mass for 10 minutes because Our Lord is still inside you. Factual and doctrinal, no, but encouraged.
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I am so glad it is not just me.
Mary as Second Eve and Jesus as Second Adam make sense...although I think from the construction of the question it seems like pulling needles from a haystack.
Mary M.: I was thinking it should be "B" as well, but my daughter is a bit of an over-thinker (like me) and I can just see her being over-whelmed by it.
It's things like these that have made me hesitant about putting her into RE classes to begin with. It's just so much school-ese with ambiguous and "tricky" test questions. It's just so much about giving the "right" answer than real understanding.
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Well, Jodie took the easy one.
Barbara C. wrote:
6. The six forms of prayer are:
1. C___________________________
2. T___________________________
3. P___________________________
4. I____________________________
5. P___________________________
6. A___________________________
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I had typed up a response and my two year old erased it all. So, back to this. This is a tough question, I can answer so many ways, but not this 6 part answer!!
First of all, I can only come up with 2 types of prayer:
Vocal, which can be private or public
Mental, which can either be Meditation or Contemplation
Like Stef said, I remember learning ACTS or TRAP, which is the classical division of the purposes of prayer:
Adoration
Contrition
Thanksgiving
Supplication
OR
Thanksgiving
Reparation
Adoration
Petition
And then there are the grades of prayer, taught by St. Teresa of Avila:
1) vocal prayer
2) meditation
3) affective prayer
4) prayer of simplicity
5) infused recollection
6) prayer of quiet
7) prayer of union
8) prayer of ecstatic union
9) prayer of transforming union
I'm baffled and stumped, so I looked it up and found this, but they don't fit with the beginning letters:
1. Praise and Thanksgiving
2. Petition
3. Intercession
4. Confession
5. Meditation
6. Contemplation
But they do fit with adding ACTS and then Meditation and Contemplation. So a thesaurus is needed...
I'm not much help.
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Barbara, do they use a text book?
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According to my (often flawed) CCD teachers manual, "C" is "contrition"
At our parish, homeschoolers not enrolled in CCD classes making sacrements have breakfast with our pastor. Over muffins and hot chocolate he gentely explores their understanding of the sacrement. After seeing that "test" I am feeling truly blessed that our busy pastor takes the time to do this!
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1. Contrition
2. Thanksgiving
3. Petition
4. Intercession
5. Penance
6. Adoration
Just taking another stab. Some seem to be duplicate, though.
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I have pulled out so many books. Now the Compendium has 6 forms:
blessing
adoration
petition
intercession
thanksgiving
praise
But AGAIN, they don't fit the letters!!! Grrrr.... 
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I meant to mention that they use the Faith & Life Series.
The DRE offered me copies of the books over the summer, but I didn't think they would fit really well with my daughter at the time. Maybe I will reconsider when my next child gets old enough for FHE or when my oldest prepares for Confirmation (in 8th grade).
LeeAnn what your priest does is so nice. I really think they should do one-on-one interviews with FHE and Confirmation candidates rather than having all these arbitrary hoops to jump through. The ability to regurgitate facts does not mean that the child has internalized their meaning. Not that knowing the rote facts isn't important, but if they want these kids to stay Catholic as they get older they need to invest in their hearts.IMHO
See, my daughters were just baptized last May. Because my oldest was so close to the age of reason, they had me go through a text book with her (it was complete torture for both of us) and then my daughter had a meeting with the head of the RCIA program (who was my husband's Confirmation sponsor when he joined the Church a few months before). After talking with her, the RCIA director felt that my daughter was more than ready for baptism and for FHE. Because of this, they're letting us skip the two-year RE requirement before FHE, but we still have to deal with the test.
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I see this Second Eve/Second Adam often in Apologetics materials, not so much in First Holy Eucharist preparation. I suppose it's not a bad thing to expose them to this teaching early. But yeah, if it's a fill-in-the-blanks thing I understand how that can be frustrating to a child/parent who didn't learn this exact teaching in their Catechism book.
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I teach FHC prep. We always talk about Mary being the second Eve and Jesus the new Adam. But we also have used F&L as a source, so maybe that's why.
There are some free downloads on the Faith & Life website--chapter quizzes and some other supplementary material. You can find the link on Ignatius Press' website.
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JennGM wrote:
1. Contrition
2. Thanksgiving
3. Petition
4. Intercession
5. Penance
6. Adoration
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IMHO, I think this is very close. If Penance was to be traded for Praise, It would look good to me  .
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Gloria JMJ wrote:
JennGM wrote:
1. Contrition
2. Thanksgiving
3. Petition
4. Intercession
5. Penance
6. Adoration
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IMHO, I think this is very close. If Penance was to be traded for Praise, It would look good to me . |
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Yes, that is a great suggestion!
1. Contrition
2. Thanksgiving
3. Petition
4. Intercession
5. Praise
6. Adoration
That might be it. I don't have Faith and Life 2 to check to see if it's there.
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JennGM wrote:
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I do. The Activity book states the following...
"There are four ways to pray. We can adore and love God. We can thank God for His gifts. We can ask God for the things we need. We can pray for other people."
The Textbook says this...
"Jesus taught them to say the prayer we call the Our Father. By giving the disciples that one prayer Jesus was able to teach them how they should pray. God wants us to call Him Father, because we are the children He loves. Hallowed be Thy Name is our wish that everyone use God's holy name with honor and respect. We want God's Kingdom to come because then everyone will be His children. Thy will means the plan God has for us. If we all did what God wanted, as the angels do in Heaven, then earth would be a very happy place for everyone. When we ask God for our daily bread we are really asking for all the things we need. With these words we are also praying for people who are poor and hungry, for those who are sick or lonely. We ask for what our souls need, too. We beg God to forgive our sins. The words As we forgive those remind us that if we want God to forgive us, we should be ready to forgive those who have done wrong to us. We end the Our Father by asking God to keep us strong when we are tempted to sin. God will help us fight and win over evil."
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