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Hi Moms~
I started my dd with the CHC phonics program, which she really enjoys. Thus far, we are just reviewing the sounds of letters...but I am not sure how to address something...
When we review the letter "c", for instance, I'll ask her what sound it makes, and she will say "sssssss" and "cuh"...which is true...but the CHC reader wants only the basic sound emphasized because the "sssss" sound of the "c" is a lot more advanced.
Same thing with "g". She has it in her head that "g" makes the "juh" sound, which it does in words like "gigantic"--however, the reader says it makes the sound "guh" as in "gum".
The problem I am having is a bit emotional. I remember being in first grade and telling the teacher that these letters made different sounds, too...and she was very curt and said, "no, they don't." Then in 3rd grade when I was learning these new rules, I felt vindicated but hurt all at the same time...I realize now that my 1st grade teacher probably did not want me to confuse the other kids; however, I was still really hurt by her reaction. (Yes, one of my many "scarring" moments from school...).
English is so confusing!! She says very logical things to me and makes very asute observations, many of which are completely true and accurate but will not apply for many years...but I don't want to confuse her now...
Anyone run into this, too? How did you handle it?
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Well, if she knows both sounds, you can't exactly erase that knowledge from her brain. I'd probably says something like, "Yes, the letter C makes both of those sounds. Right now we're talking about the 'kuh' sound, which you can hear in words like (insert word on phonics book page)."
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Maggie ~
Your post makes me laugh out loud at my own dd1, who, unlike your daughter, would flat out argue with me about whether or not the letter "c" makes the "sss" and the "cuh" sound (to her, it simply cannot make both). We do A LOT of reading aloud, books that are both beneath her current level, and books that she is yet unable to read herself (yet can pick out sight words). She used to debate me about the letter "c" making the "cuh" sound, insisting that there is simlpy no way it does. I would just softly tell her that it does, in fact, make the sound (providing only a basic explanation), and that those concepts are something we'll tackle as she grows (that's what I say to her, but really, when she stops arguing with me, and is open to understanding, then we'll proceed, if that's next week, yay...if that's next year, yay too!...it's about her readiness, not mine  ).
Your daughter knows these sounds, and I think that is great! I don't think you'll necessarily confuse her by keeping these concepts simple. Personally, I would never intentionally mislead my child, for the sake of trying not to confuse (as your teacher did to you!). Your daughter is wonderfully asute, as you say, and validating her will only help her learn and continue wanting to learn!
~ After all that blather, I've realized that I've not provided any advice at all ~
However, I'm of the opinion that it is just fine to applaud her knowledge, give a little high-five, and simply move forward with your lessons  .
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Maggie~
Sound Beginnings by Julia Fogassy introduces ALL the sounds that a letter makes in the order of frequency....so...
A....
"a" as in at
"a" as in ape
"a" as in all
So, in our house, we say all three sounds quickly for the sound of A.
Y says....
y (consonant)
i (short)
i (long)
long E sound
so.....y,i,I,ee
Her program is based on The Writing Road to Reading. It's totally overwhelming (which is why Julia made Sound Beginnings) but maybe your library has it and you could "get" all the sounds from it and teach her that way???
We don't use Sound Beginnings as it's intended, but I have found all the flashcards, learning ALL the sounds with word examples helpful.
HTH,
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I would simply tell her that she is absolutely correct and mvoe on with the CHC lessons. Once she is reading the booklets, she might need a pointer that for right now in the booklets she is going to be saying these letters the way they are introduced and words with the other sound will come later. (with my son I always use something of a mysterious-type voice - he loves the suspense of waiting and watching for whatever upcoming event to which I am alluding)
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WRiting Road to Reading teaches both the C sounds up front and then over time teaches what the rules are and how they are applied.
You can tell your daughter that she's absolutely right but for now you are just concentrating on the "K" sound because this phonics book teaches that sound first.
My youngest son learned to read by sight when he was about four and this year (he just turned 7) I am going over phonics with him to teach him word attack skills, so we have some of that kind of issue as well -- he knows words by sight that he doesn't yet understand phonetically. Plenty of kids know more about reading than their phonics books are presenting so you don't have to worry -- it will consolidate in time (hopefully before third grade!).
I had a similar experience in first grade where I classified a picture of a man in the "animal" category in one of those categorizing worksheets and the teacher told me I was wrong. It actually made me feel very guilty, as if I had been blasphemous or something  . Makes me glad we can homeschool, for sure!
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Thank you all so much for your advice!
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| I had a similar experience in first grade where I classified a picture of a man in the "animal" category in one of those categorizing worksheets and the teacher told me I was wrong. It actually made me feel very guilty, as if I had been blasphemous or something . Makes me glad we can homeschool, for sure! |
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Oh, Willa...I am sorry...I know...I have so many of "those" memories...like the time one of my teachers made me feel terribly guilty because I said the sun was "orange" and not yellow. I just could not draw a yellow sun! (at 7 years of age). It did not make sense to me. I started blending colors at that age, too...because at least, it was more realistic than a pure, yellow sun.  Yes, indeed. Way too many of "those" memories...home schooling it is! 
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I recall spelling gray g-r-e-y in kindergarten and being kicked out of a spelling bee. I could read, and I knew I had seen it spelled that way (we had a lot of older books around the house, and I probably just had books with British spellings), but there was no reasoning with my teacher.
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Very helpful, ladies. I think I will try to get the Writing Road to Reading from the library as a reference.
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CrunchyMom wrote:
| I recall spelling gray g-r-e-y in kindergarten and being kicked out of a spelling bee. I could read, and I knew I had seen it spelled that way (we had a lot of older books around the house, and I probably just had books with British spellings), but there was no reasoning with my teacher. |
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I am sure we could have a whole thread dedicated to these types of stories...
Funny...little things like that really did influence us in not sending our kids to traditional school...I bet those teachers have no idea that those "long forgotten" comments became indelible in some young, childrens' hearts...and so now...we home school. 
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yep Maggie, a whole thread I'm sure. Mine was being told a word was not a word. I was perfectly willing to admit and accept that it was the wrong word (spelling test).. but to be told it was NOT a word.. I took the dictionary to my teacher and showed her it was too a word  I was older though, 6th grade I think.
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We use the Writing Road to Reading for teaching reading (not the spelling component but that's another story)
My 5 yr olds don't have a problem chanting for the C, "Kuh and sss when followed by i,e or y"
Enjoying all the stories of you 'rebels'
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In sharing stories like this, my son was in first grade 2 years ago and received an X on a worksheet (when he was at the parish school) because there was a picture of a bathtub and she was looking for that word however he called it a "tub". She said, well, we're not working on the T sound, we're working on the B sound and he should know that. 
I even had to roll my eyes further when my husband realized we always say "do you want to get in the tub?"...NOT BATHTUB!
I think if your daughter knows the difference, just say yes and move on like the others mentioned and don't make a big deal of it by saying "no, it only makes one sound."
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Maggie:
First, dd is correct and I would assure her that she is. Then I would indicate that the CHC speller was asking for the most common sound and probably should have been more specific in directions. You are certainly glad she picked up on that - and then whenever you want to do CHC activities where they are only looking for one sound, you say things like, "What is the most common... or the hard or the soft or .... If the child will be doing pages before I've talked to them about the pages, then write the more specific direction right into her book. Then your dd will know what is being asked and you don't have to go into a ton of rules just yet. She'll also learn to ask questions - which is a good thing, really, and realize that not every textbook is precise, careful, or always accurate. You can still use something that you like, that is sweet and appropriate for the age.
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