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I have a child who needs some serious spelling help. We have tried the WRTR but it makes me crazy. Right now we are using Sequential Spelling but it doesn't seem to transfer into her written work. I think she is mildly dyslexic and the advanced phonics didn't stick at all with her even though she is such a bright child. So I think a more phonics one would be so good, and All About Spelling looks teriffic but the price- OUCH!
Does anyone know of a program for some serious remediation that isn't going to seem babyish for a 12yo?
Or, for any Sequential Spelling users, do you think that this program has helped your spellers, especially with remediation?
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I am watching this thread too. I have tried Spelling Power, Spelling Wisdom, and right now we are not doing much of any spelling at all. I was considering SpellWell only because it is something. I usually don't use workbooks and this is a workbook. I need structure and something the kids can do on there own.
You may want to look at Spelling Power. It is for about 2nd grade through high school. It might just be the right fit for your dd.
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I haven't used Sequential Spelling with success, sorry. For remediation, I recommend All About Spelling. It's based on phonograms and spelling rules like the Spaulding method, but SO MUCH EASIER to implement. If you have any specific questions or would like an example schedule of how we use it in our family, please feel free to PM me.
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Listening here, too! Anyone use Andrew Pudewa's program, Phonetic Zoo?
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I looked at Andrew's program Molly but my kids are so particular about the voice..
Christine, I would love to hear how you use All About Spelling  As well, what ages do you use this with?? (The pricetag is freaking me out a bit with the All About Spelling  ) but it does look so good.
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Kristie,
I also use AAS with my autistic (not aspie) son.
It's wonderful. I started it several weeks ago; he is currently on Step 11 (out of 24) of Level 1. What do I love about it?
It starts off with learning phonograms. Then (and this was critical for us) continues with segmenting words, i.e. breaking words into the sounds that make them up. Using the tiles gives a visual and kinesthetic approach that makes it possible even for children who cannot write (due to youth or disability) to spell. After this is done (and only then) do you start with anything that resembles most spelling programs. However, it is still different. Review is frequent, even daily. Since you mix in old words in your work, you can't just learn for the test as my oldest did. My son who is severely language delayed is doing extremely well -- far better than I had hoped. He's picking stuff right up and seems to be retaining all that he has learned.
And now there is a lovely reader to accompany Level 1. AAS is now our reading program as well as our spelling program..
I only wish it had been around for my big kids.....
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Ok, so here is my general All About Spelling schedule:
The way I break it down in daily doses (generally) depends on the child.
My daughter (a spelling ace anyway) does:
Monday - Phonogram Review (yellow cards) / Rules Review (blue cards)
Tuesday - complete a new step (only spelling out 5-7 practice words, 3 phrases, 3 sentences)
Wednesday - Phongram Review (red cards) / Rules Review (blue cards)
Thursday - complete a new step (as on Tuesday)
Friday - Spelling Review (green cards)
My other children (slower spellers or beginners) do:
Monday - Phonogram Review (yellow cards) / Rules Review (blue cards)
Tuesday - start a new step (not doing phrases or sentences)
Wednesday - Phongram Review (red cards) / Rules Review (blue cards)
Thursday - quick review and complete the step (phrases and sentences, too)
Friday - Spelling Review (green cards)
When we began the program, the older kids moved along at about a step a day while we reviewed the basics and got used to the program. We got them to the point where they were finally seeing something new and then we slowed down to the above schedule.
By the way, the M/W/F reviews take about 5 minutes, max. The T/TH step work takes about 15.
Does that answer your questions? Let me know if I can help with anything else.
Thanks and God bless,
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That answers my questions Christine, thank you.
That is so good to hear too Deborah- that it can be used successfully with many different children.
I just have to find out about shipping to Canada on their website...
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I have one more, or maybe two more, questions:
*Should I begin in Level 1 or 2 with my mildly dyslexic 11yo. I looked on their site and she could easily do what they said for level 1, but then they also said to start at the beginning for remediatioin.
*What do you purchase? Could we make do without the phonograms CD (we tend to not use this sort of thing in other programs, but maybe it is integral to this? (I was thinking that I know the phonograms and we would be doing it together so I wondered if it was necessary?)
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Kristie,
I'm no expert on placement. (You might want to get on the Chatterbee and ask. You'll get responses I am sure! It's a great resource in any case.) A lot of people do seem to zip through level 1 (i try not to be envious...).
However, if you have a good grasp of the phono grams yourself, I wouldn't bother buying the cd. I think it's mostly useful for families where the mom is not phonogram-savvy or where she really wants something that the student can use independently to learn phonograms.
Just my $.02,
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Kristie 4 wrote:
I have one more, or maybe two more, questions:
*Should I begin in Level 1 or 2 with my mildly dyslexic 11yo. I looked on their site and she could easily do what they said for level 1, but then they also said to start at the beginning for remediatioin.
*What do you purchase? Could we make do without the phonograms CD (we tend to not use this sort of thing in other programs, but maybe it is integral to this? (I was thinking that I know the phonograms and we would be doing it together so I wondered if it was necessary?) |
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If you have the funds, I would buy Level 1 for remediation. If not, I would say Level 2 is fine. The first step of chapter one of Level 2 is a quick review of Level 1. Does that make sense?
I did not use the CD, it is NOT integral to the program. I don't even recall the program mentioning it in the book. Maybe it does and I missed it. I think it is just so the phonograms are heard correctly pronounced.
Please feel free to ask any more questions. We've been using the program at multiple levels with multiple kids for a year now, so I'm pretty comfortable answering questions.
God bless,
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Hey Miss Molly!
We've used Phonetic Zoo for about three years now. Patrick was a HORRID speller and hated spelling lessons, but PZ is simple and takes very little time. He is a much better speller now and zips right along through the lessons.
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Thanks Amy!
Funny thing- you were in my dream last night, looking all pregnant and wonderful! Then I wake to find a post from you! Must be a good sign!  
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I have two not-so-hot spellers. One is very visual and the other very auditory. I was looking into PZ for my auditory learner and AAS for my visual learner.
Amy,
Do you think PZ can be successfully used by a visual learner?
Christine,
What do you think about AAS being used for an auditory learner?
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Don't throw tomatoes!!!
My kids all hated the Phonetic Zoo. It brought them all to tears and maybe I gave up to quickly.
The first week on level A they do "ai" and "ay" they use words like train and playful. I am missing the second card at the moment but I think it was "ie" and "ei" with words like relieve, conceive...they were hard and lots of tears resulted. Week three is The First Vowel Talks with words like seal, feather, peacock, readily, tie, and people. Week 4 is Radio o-u-g-h with words like rough, eight, weight, through, veiled and although.
I was surprised at the difficulty of the lesson 2 words. I don't think it was a good fit for my easily frustrated ds9.
We have moved on to AVKO Sequential Spelling and he is very happy with that program.
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Charlotte,
AAS is for all of learning styles. You can tailor it to each child without much difficulty. For example, one child of mine doesn't like pulling down tiles to spell. OK, then she just writes the spelling words instead of using tiles. I have the tiles near her for the visual aid when spelling or for my use in showing examples. No problem. As for auditory learners, the program is phonogram based and it is oral instruction. My son likes to spell his words aloud - fine by me. In fact, the phonogram practice is done (yellow cards) with showing the child a phonogram that they say the sounds of it aloud, as well as (red cards) with saying the sounds to the child and having him write the phonogram. Honestly, I would say that the program really has a multi-sensory approach which you can tailor to the strengths of each child. I do not use the program quite the same way for each of my children. The basic structure - yes, but the specifics are tailored to the needs of the child. Does that answer your question?
God bless,
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Charlotte,
Not sure how well it would work with a visual learner. There are cards that come with the program that have the words for each lesson, but we never used them. Still in the orig. packaging. My ds just pops the CD in and listens. He doesn't look at a visual list before each lesson, although with the cards, one certainly could.
The thing I like about it really is that it basically requires NOTHING from me.  He does the lesson, and then checks it. Easy peasy.
Mary Chris,
No tomato throwin' here. My ds didn't start the program until he was 10 1/2 or so. For the longest time, he didn't even pay any attention to the rules, even though they were being played over and over, and his momma was telling him to pay attention. He finally caught on though and now gets through each lesson a bit quicker.
I will say though that the one thing that bugs ds is when they use the Canadian 'zed' instead of 'z'. He's pretty much gotten used to it, but it annoys him a bit still.
Oh, and a final thought. I've had the pleasure of meeting Andrew Pudewa and he told me that you can always return his products for a full refund. He didn't care if you had had a program for 5 years or whatever. He'd rather the customer be able to use and enjoy his programs than sit collecting dust on a shelf.
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