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Posted: Aug 04 2008 at 6:40am | IP Logged Quote monica

i had never heard this term before and it came across my path. here is the wikipedia definition

new feminism is a predominantly Catholic philosophy which emphasizes a belief in an integral complementarity of men and women, rather than the superiority of men over women or women over men.[1] New feminism, a form of difference feminism, recognizes and supports certain ideas regarding the strengths, perspectives, and roles of women, while advocating the equal worth and dignity of both sexes.

you can find more about it here

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Posted: Aug 04 2008 at 9:00am | IP Logged Quote organiclilac

I'm not sure what I think of the term, but I love the idea. You may be interested in Genevieve Kineke's blog, feminine-genius, or her book, The Authentic Catholic Woman. I've not yet read the book - still on my wishlist - but I think she has a great perspective to women's issues on her blog.

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There is a organization called ENDOW that offers study groups-one of the first is a study of JP II's "Letter to Women" and the concept of New Feminism is discussed in depth. I just finished with the study and it was excellent! I would highly recommend it. Next I want to explore Muleris Dignitatem and then Aquinas for Beginners. Here is a quote from the Endow website:

Aquinas for Beginners, Part I: A Tour of the Summa - ENDOW is dedicated to the promotion of a "new feminism" based on the teaching of Pope John Paul II. John Paul II drew much of his understanding of the human person from the work of St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274). As such, it is important for ENDOW to promote the study of these sources, in addition to the documents themselves, as a means to better understand John Paul II's teaching on the nature and dignity of women. This study guide is devoted to understanding many of the ideas about human beings and our relation to God that St. Thomas Aquinas explores in his most important work, Summa Theologiae.

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Posted: Aug 04 2008 at 11:09am | IP Logged Quote 12stars

As would I.
This is so wonderful. I went to a Catholic Conference this weekend and Katrina Zeno was there. She has a few items that talk about all this along with Theology of the Body for all ages.
What I found interesting is that this is exactly what we all need to know. It counters all that is viewed feminist in a negative way.
I love the way the Church has a position for everything and will not back down!!

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Posted: Aug 04 2008 at 1:13pm | IP Logged Quote Willa

I'd never heard that term before, but I suppose I do think of myself as a sort of "feminist" though I don't like the word.

I've always disliked the NOW version of feminism AND the misogynist type of male chauvinism. Both seem to over-emphasize the virtues of masculinity, in different ways, and denigrate the real meaning of femininity.

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Posted: Aug 04 2008 at 5:51pm | IP Logged Quote Mary G

I think an even better book than Kinecke's is the one by Alice vonHidebrand called The Privilege of Being a Woman which should be required reading for all teens (even boys!).

Feminist means organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests (as defined by Merriam-Webster); the problem is not the word but how that has been played out in the media and modern culture. Women's rights and interests SHOULD include the right to have children and the right to be born; the right to be home, raising children and not trying to do the masculine roles as well as the feminine ... men have rights too that were overrun by the anti-feminine.

So yes, I consider myself a feminist in the true denotation of the word; not in the negative, male-bashing connotation that it has become.

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Posted: Aug 04 2008 at 6:45pm | IP Logged Quote lapazfarm

Never.
But that isn't because I don't agree with the new feminist philosophy (ideology?). I do. I just can't get past the negative connotations of that *word*, so I would never use it to describe myself.

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Posted: Aug 05 2008 at 5:47am | IP Logged Quote monica

i too hesitated at the term, but as i read the definition, i think i am at least partly a new feminist. one issue i wonder about is when we say that women are made to be mothers, what does it mean for women who never marry or who cannot have children? i do believe any woman (mother or not) can be a spiritual mother, but i want to make sure my single friends don't think they are less important or not following God's plan for their lives just because the right man has not come along.   How do we as mothers affirm and encourage the gifts of all women, whether they have been blessed with marriage and children or not?
love to hear your ideas
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Posted: Aug 05 2008 at 10:34pm | IP Logged Quote teachingmom

While I don't go around using the term to describe myself, I would have to say that I am one of them. The idea is very much based on the work of Pope John Paul II and the idea of the feminine genius.


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Posted: Aug 06 2008 at 8:51am | IP Logged Quote Natalia

monica wrote:
one issue i wonder about is when we say that women are made to be mothers, what does it mean for women who never marry or who cannot have children? i do believe any woman (mother or not) can be a spiritual mother, but i want to make sure my single friends don't think they are less important or not following God's plan for their lives just because the right man has not come along.   How do we as mothers affirm and encourage the gifts of all women, whether they have been blessed with marriage and children or not?
love to hear your ideas


Wouldn't you say that because women are made to be mothers (at least in potentiality)they are certain traits that are particularly feminine? I am thinking of the way women care for others, nurture,self-sacrifice,etc. So maybe one way of encouraging and affirm all women is by teaching them to be comfortable with those traits. I think a great service we can do to all women is teach them to appreciate their truly feminine traits. So many women these days seem to be working against their nature-wanting to be what they were not designed to be.

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Posted: Aug 06 2008 at 11:16am | IP Logged Quote ~Rachel~

I don't know that I would use that particular term, but yes, those are my particular beliefs.

I have often said that just as people admit everyone is unique and individual, so too are men and women different from each other- usually in the most positive of ways.
I find that we typically compliment each other in our various strengths and weeknesses, and that together we make a great team

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Posted: Aug 06 2008 at 11:27am | IP Logged Quote Willa

Natalia wrote:
Wouldn't you say that because women are made to be mothers (at least in potentiality)they are certain traits that are particularly feminine? I am thinking of the way women care for others, nurture,self-sacrifice,etc. So maybe one way of encouraging and affirm all women is by teaching them to be comfortable with those traits. I think a great service we can do to all women is teach them to appreciate their truly feminine traits. So many women these days seem to be working against their nature-wanting to be what they were not designed to be.


I liked what you said here, Natalia. I am still working out my thoughts on this, but I do think that whatever is unique to womanhood is not just a matter of biology, ie actual motherhood, but a matter of a type of power or gift that is intrinsic.   

One thing about the complementarity of male and female, to me, is the Church's recognition that we need both to make a complete picture. The feminine receptivity is something that we are all to emulate in the spiritual life, in a way that I am not going to be able to describe well in my own words.

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