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I have a friend from choir going back to his homeland in Jersey - he is in our choir though he is Anglican (very high church) He is going to leave Anglicanism due to the women bishop issue. He says he will join either the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church... At a farewell meal tonight we were discussing this issue with him. So I have to important things to ask you all(as I will see him for the last time tomorrow night when we sing)
1. What is Filioque all about? This young man says that the church decided at a council before the orthodox split away that it had been decided upon that the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father (?something like that) and that when the split took place, the orthodox continued with that belief and the Catholic's changed it to, "Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son"....this can't be true, can it? The Catholic Church wouldn't have changed something fundamental? Can anyone help me with this?
2. What books can anyone recommend of convert stories, particularly of English converts, also any books that explain the dogma of the Immaculate Conception?
Many thanks! Anne
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Here is some information on the split between Catholics and Orthodox...it includes some info. on the filioque.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Eastern_Orthodoxy.asp
Sorry...don't know how to link
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Here's another one from the same site...
http://www.catholic.com/library/Filioque.asp
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Hi Anne,
I belong to an Anglican Use parish. We use the Anglican liturgy but are in full communion with Rome. This "pastoral provision" is currently permitted only in the United States - last I looked into it. Our priest has his conversion story on his blog which can be linked from the parish website. The parish website is atonementonline.com - he might find the blog and the other links there of use.
Don't know the answer to your other question - sorry!
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aussieannie wrote:
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I wish I could be of more help, Anne. I only have a minute, but did find this article at Catholic Answers Filioque
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This may not be helpful at all, but your post reminded me about a program that aired few days ago on EWTN. Former Anglican priest, Dr. Robert Stackpole, was the Journey Home program discussing his conversion.
He wrote Saint Peter Lives in Rome: An Anglican Discovers the Ministry of the Pope.
For info on the Immaculate Conception, look at the articles that Catholic Answers has available. I'd list them, but I need to run.
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I was reading on this a while back and found this link to be most helpful to me:
The Wording Of The Nicene Creed by Fr. William Saunders.
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It seems if I understand things correctly that the idea we hold is of a double procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son (or from the Father through the Son). This idea was taught from the early church fathers. It only later became an issue when attempting to combat heresy. One heresy was that the Holy Spirit was created and originates from the Son alone. Any teaching in response to that was meant to refute the belief that the Holy Spirit originates from the Son...not to deny that the Holy Spirit processes through the Son. The filioque came into play when another heresy arose that attempted to refute the double procession. It was what we had always believed, we just stated it more clearly when it came under attack. It appears that much of the Orthodox church is okay with the phrasing "through the Son" which we see as analogous to "and the Son"...it can be seen as a difference in emphases. I would guess somewhat like the Eastern and Western churches different (though complementary) ways of expressing the Immaculate Conception. It really seems to be something that could be overcome on the path to unity, and is seen as such by even many Eastern Orthodox. please forgive any errors I've made, I am no theologian. The Catholic Encyclopedia provided me much good information. I'd check that as a source.
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Anne, I have an excerpt from Father Hardon on Eastern Orthodoxy on my blog. It was so helpful to me to sort some of the differences.
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John Henry Newman would be good -- as a convert and also as an exponent of various doctrines about our Lady. Scott Hahn's Rome Sweet Home is also a great read.
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I would also recommend the books "Surprised By Truth" edited by Patrick Madrid. It is a series of books containing the testimonies of various people - many of whom were ministers - who have converted to the Catholic Church. Each one gives their scriptural, philosophical and historical reasons for converting. The testimonies are amazing.
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Following along Elizabeth's recommendation with Newman, there is a priest that has brought some high profile people into the Church reading some of the writers of the Oxford Movement, particularly Newman.
I was reading another book and this title was recommended: Literary Converts by Joseph Pearce. It reminded me of this thread. But now I want to read this book, too!
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Anne, I'm going to add another book suggestion, called Good News, Bad News: Evangelization, Conversion and the Crisis of Faith by Father C. John McCloskey III, and Russell Shaw.
Father McCloskey has been the instrument of bringing many people into the Catholic Faith. Dh and I had him as our spiritual director before he was transferred to Chicago. Dh highly recommends this book (I haven't read it yet).
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