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So...where do we go from here? I'd love to get more involved in local politics...at least keep more informed. I also felt such sadness at seeing the Catholic vote counts...and how so many of us didn't care at all about life issues but were thinking about ou pocketbook instead. So...how do we reach our fellow Catholics? Especially those holding higher offices...Biden and Pelosi for instance.
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| I also felt such sadness at seeing the Catholic vote counts...and how so many of us didn't care at all about life issues but were thinking about ou pocketbook instead. So...how do we reach our fellow Catholics? |
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I think we have to be careful using a blanket statement that they didn't care about life issues...at all. I see there are Catholics on this board who voted for Obama. I'm sure they care about life issues.
Where do we go from here? Faith in Action. It's so easy to let someone else stand outside abortion clinics during the 40 Days for Life or to let someone else be the voice for life issues. Time to come out of our comfort zone.
This is the positive that will come from this election.
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Sorry, delete this if you want - but if a Catholic voted for Obama he/she was not thinking about pro life issues this is obvious. Our Bishops tried to teach us that if there is a pro life canidate it is an evil to vote for a pro abortion canidate. To vote for one who says he is not pro choice but pro abortion is in-exusable. I don't care who I alienate. It is time for us pro life Catholics to speak up! If a Catholic has voted for Obama knowing he is pro abortion then they need to be in confession and quick! It is an embarassment, shame and a horrible witness that so many Catholics voted for Obama!!!
I pray for their souls.
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I have to say I feel the same way as Barb, but was afraid to say anything. I so do not want to hurt anyone. At the same time, what's done is done and we have to get past our sadness and try to be productive for a better future. I would go into more detail, but I already wrote all about it here. Also, I'm not sure if Barb would agree with me or not, but speaking for myself, my anger is coming from a desperate, helpless desire to save the unborn. I understand if you feel this post should be deleted, too.
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Delete if you want. But this post is not from momentary anger. This country has aborted at least 45-50 million babies! Hitler killed about 12 million Jews and Non Jews. Hope you get my point. Anyway, it is clearly against the teaching of our Church to have voted for Obama. 54% of Catholics voted for Obama! Very shameful. I don't know how they could have. It really is a crisis for our Church. Come on folks - it is a sin to support a canditate who supports such an evil as abortion. As Catholics we cannot nor should not pick and choose what we want to agree with our Magisterium and what we don't!
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Wow.
I am finding it really hard to understand this board sometimes.
It is not okay to say anything about hitting children, as that is between the parents and God alone, but it is okay for someone to tell another person that their soul is in need of Confession?
THAT is between them and God! No one has the right to condemn another person's soul - that is the job of God alone. You do not know their hearts one iota. It is just plain wrong.
I know quite a few Catholics who did vote Obama, and for NOT ONE of them was "their pocketbook" the issue.
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Michaela wrote:
Essy wrote:
| I also felt such sadness at seeing the Catholic vote counts...and how so many of us didn't care at all about life issues but were thinking about ou pocketbook instead. So...how do we reach our fellow Catholics? |
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I think we have to be careful using a blanket statement that they didn't care about life issues...at all. I see there are Catholics on this board who voted for Obama. I'm sure they care about life issues.
Where do we go from here? Faith in Action. It's so easy to let someone else stand outside abortion clinics during the 40 Days for Life or to let someone else be the voice for life issues. Time to come out of our comfort zone.
This is the positive that will come from this election.
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Sorry...let me change that to 'cared less about life issues then they did about other things'...maybe they cared some...but obviously not enough to vote for it in such a critical time when new judges to the Supreme Court are bound to be chosen...and where Obama will for sure have a litmus test for them. He has also said that he will approve the Freedom OF CHoice Act...so...I don't know...I guess I can't speak to anyone...but I'm just saying that this is part of the huge sadness that I feel. I'm pretty sure that this post will be deleted as some others before me have posted...we fear being silenced from all angles. I just want to scream...I'm so sad.
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Barb.b wrote:
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Your reply is probably the boldest I've read.
I honestly appreciate your response. Your willingness to respond!
There are things I just don't understand.
We must be nice...charitable...it's a challenge to express your feelings & thoughts.
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Tina wrote:
I have to say I feel the same way as Barb, but was afraid to say anything. I so do not want to hurt anyone.
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I was writing when all the responses came in after Barb.
Trying to catch up now.
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Wow.
I am finding it really hard to understand this board sometimes.
It is not okay to say anything about hitting children, as that is between the parents and God alone, but it is okay for someone to tell another person that their soul is in need of Confession?
THAT is between them and God! No one has the right to condemn another person's soul - that is the job of God alone. You do not know their hearts one iota. It is just plain wrong.
I know quite a few Catholics who did vote Obama, and for NOT ONE of them was "their pocketbook" the issue.
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Then please, please, please explain to me what THE issue was? I trully want to know. What could be more important the LIFE? As far as it not being their pocketbooks...sorry...but that's what all the polls are saying...the economy rules. I'm also struggling about how discussing this in a Catholic board is disrespectful? And yes...I think it is safe to say that if anyone collaborated with he culture of death in anyway should be going to confessions...our holy priests and bishops have said as much.
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Sorry, Catholics who voted for Obama have lost my respect. It is time to be silent no more. Catholics need to start acting and voting like Catholics!! There is no rationalizing why some voted for Obama. I can be silent about such things no more. My Church has porblems right now - such a high number of Catholics voted for him. Why be silent! Was Jesus silent about evils? It is beyond comprehension really. Period. End of discussion!
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If this is shut down, please post on my blog.
I've learned so much about the Catholic faith from this board.
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Barb, I understand, and certainly share your frustrations. (I will not deny that.) But, while we need not, and most definetly should not remain silent - we MUST remain charitable and loving.
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Essy wrote:
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I could try, as they have explained it to me - but would anyone even listen?
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And that is the job of Priests and Bishops - not the laity. I don't think anyone that is not a priest/bishop has the right to tell another person to "get thee to confession." It is wrong.
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Since posting my question, and reading many e-lists and websites, these are some of the tips I have picked up and want to share:
1. 'Ora et Labora'
2. As faithful Catholics, we must begin by praying for the newly elected and for protection ... say the St. Michael prayer regularly for this intention.
3. We must unify like never before, in prayer and in educating all about the evils of socialism.
We know the final victory is won, but let us be active
participants in that victory. We wave flags that read "Jesus Christ," not republican, not democrat.
We must do the "better thing" ... we must teach our children to pray that our president-elect be inspired by God as he serves this country. We must us teach our children constantly about Him in truth (and others, too!) so that they will go forth and be bright lights in this darkness.
Lastly, we must remember that GOD is in control. Jesus said, "Why are ye fearful, Oh ye of little faith?" (Don't know the exact quote, but it's the "walking on water" story.  )
These are the things that I am telling my children. All things work together unto good ...
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Laura, as laywomen, that does not disqualify us from sharing our faith, teaching the faith, and reiterating what many priests and bishops have said.
If a Catholic were to tell me she just swipe some money -I would have to tell her that she needs to get to confession.
If I were to commit a horrible sin - even out of ignorance, I would want a another to care enough about my soul to tell me to get my butt to confession.
If a Catholic women were to tell me she had an abortion, I would lovingly tell her to get to confession - If a Catholic man told me he payed for his wife/partner to have an abortion - I would tell him to get to confession - if a politician told me he was all for "protecting a woman's right to choose" I would tell him he needed to go to confession - if a fellow Catholic tells me she/he voted for Obama/Biden - I would have to tell them they need to confess.
I believe that I would be a sin for me not to.
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the situations you present - and the act of casting a vote - are miles apart.
I know, I know, not in your opinion. If someone voted Obama, they may as well be holding the knife, right?
Well, I don't agree.
So - we disagree, and that seems to be that.
I can not continue this conversation. There is no point. As I said, no one wants to listen anyway, and you will notice, I have never even said I voted for Obama - and yet here I am trying to defend a person's right to vote as they see fit - which last I checked, was a big reason America is the country it is - that we have that right. I just know people who have voted that way, and I know their reasons, and they are not what is being portrayed here. That's all. But maybe I talk to more people. Maybe I listen. Who knows? But I have to be done with this. I am not putting my energies where they belong right now - which is with my family. So I will bow out now.
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Have you all seen the Father Corapi videos that he put out on youtube? I have them on my site here http://thismomentprayergroup.blogspot.com/2008_10_29_archive .html
if you want to take a look. Very powerful.
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