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I started to purchase some pre-menopausal progesterone cream today in hopes it would help some of my symptoms. It was on the shelf with a message on the back that the state of California warns that this cream can cause cancer.
I decided to check with you ladies first.
Also, does progesterone provoke headaches or help prevent them? I'm a monthly headache sufferer---one of the symptoms I'm hoping to find relief for.
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Well Cay,
I imagine too much of any hormone can cause cancer. I have been taking pg cream for almost six years now and the dose is so low, and it is not like you take it everyday, all the time. It should be used just to balance your hormone levels. I personally would not worry too much with the warning.
I would make sure that whatever cream you do purchase that it contains only progesterone, and there aren't other additives. I would also make sure that it is in an air tight container so there is no exposure to air or light, for this will cause the hormone to go rancid -not a good thing. Some where in a previous posting I mentioned a couple companies that I would trust.
As for the headache issue, I personally have never had this PMS side effect but a good friend of mine did ever month.  She said the cream definitely helped to reduce the headaches but did not get rid of them all together.
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I hope no one minds my bringing this back up? Its been suggested to me that I might have luteal phase deficiency and that progesterone cream may help. I couldn't find either of the brands mentioned on this thread. The one I bought is Emerita and the ingredients are listed as such:
Water, Tocopheryl Acetate(Vit E), Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice (aloe vera), Carthamus Tinctorius (safflower hybrid) seed oil, Panthenol, Glycerin, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (wsweet almond) oil, Glyceril stearate, cetyl alcohol, sodium behenoyl lactylated, stearic acid, UPS Progesterone, phenoxyethanol, caprylyl glycol, sorbic acid, citrus aurantium dulcis (orange) oil, citrus medica limonum (lemon) peel oil, carbomer.
I don't seen anything that doesn't seem normal for a cream (like perimenopausal herbs) but I wanted to see if y'all see something I don't???
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Cay Gibson wrote:
I started to purchase some pre-menopausal progesterone cream today in hopes it would help some of my symptoms. It was on the shelf with a message on the back that the state of California warns that this cream can cause cancer.
I decided to check with you ladies first.
Also, does progesterone provoke headaches or help prevent them? I'm a monthly headache sufferer---one of the symptoms I'm hoping to find relief for.
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http://www.womeninbalance.org/info/
This link has some information on the CA cancer warning label, Cay.
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Gotta make this a quick reply:
Cay, CA is WACKY! I bought some ceramic cereal bowls (the kind DESIGNED for eating out of) and they had stickers saying the CA has issued a warning that the use of this product can cause cancer! HUH!!!
I did a mess of research and LOTS of things came up like that: CA says this or that may cause cancer. Never did really figure out why.
Pro crem. I am a AVID believer in it! Started using just before I turned 48 for PMS symptoms. I had had 4 miscarriages, the last of which I tried to prevent by using the traditional MD prescribed oral progesterone. 2 months after using the cream, I got pg, carried easily to term and delivered easily at 48 1/2. I am SURE my dd is here due to pro cream! And I believe it has saved MANY babies.
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Kathy and Leslie,
What brand sof cream did you buy and what doses did you use?
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Okay,
Please nobody laugh, but I can't tell what part of my cycle I'm in! I was always told to take Progestorone cream between day 12 and 21 of my cycle. It worked well for my PMS symptoms before I had Amelia (3 years ago) but since then I never went back on for long. One problem I noticed recently is that my cycle is 2 days late when I use the cream and early if I don't. I have never been successful at having consistent "drainage" to tell me where I'm at in my cycle. So this has been very confusing.
I did have a miscarriage in June and I believe I probably should have been using the cream. Even the new OB I went to suggested that this would be good for the future.
Can we have "Your Cycle 101" class? I'm sure I learned that in nursing school but that was 13 years ago and this brain is a little foggy!
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Elizabeth wrote:
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I have always ordered and used Happy PMS and I use one full pump about 1/2 tsp, one time per day. I could do two smaller pumps (1/4 tsp) twice a day but I never remember. So once after my morning shower works great.
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Lisa, I used it for the first 12 weeks with Andrew, 1/4 tsp. (I think) rubbed on a fleshy part, and then tapered off. He "made it", thanks be to God, the miracle between two losses. Does ProGest cream sound right? I can't remember the name now.
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Yes, it was Pro-Gest by Emerita.
....and I forgot to add that the pregnancy with Andrew is the ONLY time I have used Progesterone Cream...didn't even THINK of it for some reason with this last pregnancy.
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May I jump in to ask... What are the symptoms of luteal phase deficiency?
I know that the luteal phase is the phase of your cycle after ovulation, but how do you tell if your luteal phase is deficient? Do you just find that you have fewer days beween ovulation and menses?
Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread, but I was wondering how y'all got to the point that you realized you needed to use progesterone cream...
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I use ProgestaFem.
I used to use Happy PMS cream, but then a "gifted" healer I have been seeing said it is not a good brand. (It is hard for me to explain this fellow. He does sell another brand, but I know he's not in it for the mooney. he will see me for over an hour -one time 2 hours- and charges $30. He is an old chiro, semi-retired, with a true gift from God to discern MANY healing related matters.) Just wanted to share what i have learned- I know other women who use Happy PMS and are fine with it (I gave mine away to them.)
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With me, I think the signs were that I was having light spotting for a few days BEFORE starting the bleeding full-on. I also was having killer headaches and fatigue and wasn't having good signs of a healthy ovulation/ hormone levels low (ironically, I conceived twice, though). If you correct with one hormone, usually it balances out, is what I read.
And, I wanted to make sure I carried my pregnancy to term after a preemie with lots of bleeding and a miscarriage so that's why I wanted strong support from the Progesterone, as well.
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I have another question, I've been on it since week 4 of this pregnancy. I am now 14 weeks. I'm wondering if it's okay for me to ease off of it now or not? I know you can use it all throughout pregnancy, but I don't think I want too. Is after the first trimester usually a good time to ease off? I do one pump each morning, I may try one pump every other morning until what I have runs out. Sound right?
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Yes, after the first trimester the placenta should take over the production of progesterone.
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That's what I did. I weaned off slowly after the first trimester.
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MaryMary,
Signs of a luteal phase deficiency:
spotting before your period
less than 10 days of elevated temperatures
weak thermal shift
The luteal phase is the post-ovulation part of the cycle. With the sympto-thermal method of NFP, you determine the luteal phase by counting the days of elevated temperatures. Normally, there are 12-14 days of elevated temps before a woman has her period. If there are less than 10 days in the luteal phase, a woman can conceive a child, but can menstruate before the new child has a chance to implant in the uterine lining. A new child is conceived in the fallopian tubes, then implantation in the uterine lining occurs 6-9 days later.
Ana, you should start the progesterone cream once you are sure you are in phase 3 of your cycle (post-ovulation). If you are familiar with the sympto-thermal method of NFP, that would be after 3 days of thermal shift and 3-4 days of mucus dry-up. My FertilityCare doctor told me to start it at peak day +4...I think that is how the mucus only methods determine phase 3. (Maybe Erin or SaraP will jump in here  ) It's important to make sure that you are in phase 3 when you start the cream b/c if you take it too soon (before ovulation), it can inhibit ovulation. For a woman hoping to get pregnant and sustain the pregnancy, that would be counter-productive! It makes sense that your cycles are longer when you use the cream--the cream is probably extending your luteal phase to a more normal length.  That's good.
Dawn, who teaches the sympto-thermal method through CCL
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Dawnie wrote:
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Yes, if one is using a mucus-only method it's safe to begin progesterone cream on the foruth day past Peak Day.
AnaB-
I'm mostly offline during lent, but if you would like to email me at sfp@thosepetersons.com I'd be happy to give you a quick crash-course via email on interpretting your cycles despite constant 'drainage'.
And, for the record, there are two schools of thought about progesterone cream and miscarriage:
One is that low progesterone/short luteal phases is a fertility problem in and of itself and if supplemental progesterone is taken, the problem will be solved.
BUT . . . there is also evidence that low progesterone in the luteal phase is a symptom of poor ovulation and that the reason that there is too little progesterone produced is because the egg that was released and the follicle it was released from (which is what produces progesterone in the luteal phase) was not properly developed prior to ovulation. If this is the case, just adding progestone after ovulation won't help because the problem is really in the early part of the cycle and needs to be addressed then (usually with a low dose of Clomid).
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