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Nina Murphy wrote:
Dear Margot,
I am so sorry. In my ignorance, I misled everyone.  I thought all Latin Masses with the permission of the local ordinary were defined as "indult". 
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That's OK!!! I guess I wanted to distinguish the wonderful situation we have from those with only indults. Sometimes the Indult Mass is said by a Fraternity priest (as in New York at St. Agnes, etc).
The responses that people have given show the great diversity within the Church and among homeschoolers! Is that why you asked the question?
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Somewhere between A and B.
The music is definately A, too much so in my opinion.
But, from what I have heard about that other people have with regards to abuses and such, the rest is a lot B.
And much more B now that we have a new priest. Who I personally really don't like, but a lot of the changes he is making for the parish are good.
There is a Tridentine Mass somewhat close by. I have anxiety issues with driving, or I would probably do that. There is also a Byzantine parish close, but again....my parish is less than a mile away...and dh works there....
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I think it is very interesting how Catholic homeschoolers are sprinkled everywhere, from all different backgrounds, localities, throughout this country and the WORLD---and yet how we all are bound by a common motivation and goal. We all got led to the same place from dramatically different places.
Considering and comtemplating how the Holy Spirit moves and works fascinates and comforts me. There is great diversity and yet we are bound by so much...primarily our love for the Eucharist, Our Lady, Holy Mother Church, and the "Domestic Church"-- our Families, and our commitment and fidelity to them.
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Nina Murphy wrote:
Considering and comtemplating how the Holy Spirit moves and works fascinates and comforts me. There is great diversity and yet we are bound by so much...primarily our love for the Eucharist, Our Lady, Holy Mother Church, and the "Domestic Church"-- our Families, and our commitment and fidelity to them. |
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Amen!
And regarding the Charismatic thing, it is OK. I just wanted to clarify that not all Charismatics are created equal 
Natalia
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Since Margot asked the question of me I have been thinking more about why I was interested in asking the original question and a big point hit me: I felt called to homeschool and have a large family by witnesses given to me in a particular faith community, namely Our Lady of Peace Parish--English Mass-- in Santa Clara, Ca (still my favorite Masses and homilies of memory) .
It was where one found the homeschoolers gathered and the families (the parking lot filled with the long vans) growing larger every year, those who were pro-life and open to life. It was where I met women and priests who inspired me to want to live a better life...a life truly lived for God, and specifically, consecrated to Our Lady.
And where we are NOW has not as much to do with the missal used or how the priest is faced (although the music is sublime and what drew us in) but that it is the community of homeschoolers and large families in our area, and those who are like-minded and support this lifestyle have gravitated and been led there. How crucial it can be to have the support when what we are doing is so counter-cultural! (Especially for those of us from divorce and challenging backgrounds. ?)
Anyway, I hope I explained my interest further and my humble appreciation for all of you for sharing. Do you also have many other homeschoolers and families following the teachings of the Church on life issues at your parishes, as far as you know? We get stared at by everyone when we go to other parishes (I'm not saying negatively---perhaps shock and curiosity)....I don't see many other large families (more than 3). Do you have similar thoughts or experiences?
Thank you to all. Happy Week!
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JSchaaf wrote:
| Is there a choice for "English-but bland, certainly not charismatic or conservative?" I can't really tell it's a Catholic church-you have to play "where's Jesus?" in order to find the Tabernacle. Confession?? Scheduled once a week for 45 minutes-but the priest is usually late and it's the most impersonal experience I've ever had. Sometimes I want to ask "Can you tell me what I just confessed? Are you even LISTENING??" And the music is horrible. |
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I truly don't mean to laugh at your unfortunate situation, Jennifer. It's just that you've described so perfectly what seems like the majority of parishes throughout the U.S.
I find it heartening to read about the parishes of you all who have answered so far. It proves that pockets of orthodoxy can be found in many places.
And to answer your question, Nina. It's B.
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B for me. I do have a parish nearby that does an indult Latin Mass now but I haven't gone yet. I'd love to but the timing is difficult for me. Someday soon!
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I guess if I answered it would have to be B - but that really doesn't describe our parish. There are solid priests with solid homilies, general reverence for the Eucharist and there seems to be real efforts being made to improve things. This parish is huge with a regional school - and only 2 priests - one on loan to our diocese from India who has been in the U.S. just about a year (a very lovely priest). But there are still irregularities. We do have a Perpetual Adoration Chapel!
There is always chatting before and after Mass, anything done with youth generally has something not quite right (plays, boom boxes, etc.). The music attempts to be in line and we do have an organist - but you won't find a lot of traditional hymns and no Latin chant. The church was "rennovated" in the 1960s so we no longer have the relic in the altar, we have a resurrected Jesus over the altar (the crucifix is over the tabernacle which is off to the side - but at least toward the front of the church). The choir is behind the altar so it can be distracting. The Lamb of God has added strophe's and we rarely here both Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world have mercy on us. There is music (sometimes vocal) as Father begins the prayers so we don't always get to respond "Blessed Be God Forever" (a big annoyance to me) and we have 11 plus Extraordinary Ministers every Sunday (and at least one or two at a lot of daily Masses even when there are just a handful of people). Confession is offered regularly on Sat. evening for 45 minutes - but the lines are long and time runs out. We have had times we didn't all make it into confession because time ran out. Sacraments we received last year included photographer in your face (Father worked it out for our daughter when she expressed discomfort with someone distracting her with a camera from the altar area and the photographer at least stepped back during the moment of her reception of Confirmation). They also did not allow time for Thanksgiving as they lined them up front before the recessional - chaos ensued as everyone seemed to be spilling all over the church to take more pictures with the poor Bishop having to fight his way out. (They were supposed to process immediately to the reception area but we slipped out of line and came back in for our thanksgiving. I noticed that the associate pastor did likewise).
There are no indult or Priestly Fraternity parishes anywhere in our diocese - the closest is 3+ hours drive in another state. We simply cannot spend 6 hours in the car on Sunday. Our parish is one of the most conservative Novos Ordo parishes in the area. Homeschoolers are pretty spread out all over our diocese - but most Catholic homeschoolers in our city do go to this parish (or they got fed up (things were much worse even just 2 - 3 years ago) and somehow go to Priestly Fraternity when they can and other non-parish Masses the rest of the time.
We are currently still without a Bishop and prayers are going up for a Bishop who will grant us an Indult Mass or Priestly Fraternity. Basically, in our area, there aren't many choices, but the priests have been struggling heroically to try and gently bring people back in line. (I must admit I get impatient and wish someone would just put their foot down - but evidently when this is tried, lay people have been known to go behind Father's back and what He is responsible for is overwhelming - nursing homes, hospitals, the school, the parish (4 - 5 Masses every weekend - plus there is a Spanish Mass, need to provide catechesis in Spanish - and a Korean Mass - father doesn't have to offer these as there are traveling priests for these languages - but he is hosting these priests for those in our parish). Around here, there are only 2 hospitals and people come from all over the region to these, but the Catholics are spread out a few here and there in each place and most of the other parishes are over 30 minutes drive (many much further than that) so our pastor usually tries to cover for his fellow priests from outlying areas. These priests also have to drive to cover for each other (sometimes hours) as there are some elderly and sick priests, as well.
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Interesting question, Nina. I wonder if you would get more of a response if you posted it as a poll. Anyone could answer without feeling uncomfortable about revealing her identity.
We attend a conservative NO most Sundays, and an indult once a month. It's a bit tricky for us, for while we prefer the indult, we are in a position to radically change (for the better!!!) the music in our parish; but Libby is also an active member of the music ministry at the Latin Mass. As cantor at our parish, she sings at 3 out of the 6 English Masses offered. Latin Mass takes up one of those times, but that would be the children's Mass in our parish...very tricky.
Anyway, if you need help starting a poll, let me know!
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Thank you, Macbeth.
I didn't know about the polls! Please. Any help you can give me at all I will humbly accept...I need it!
Here I have been with my little "polls" to get to know people and get quick tips-- HA!
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Well, that's one way to get to know people (and it was fun, too) . Polls are way less personal, and you can't tell who is answering (I think...Tim can correct me if I am wrong).
Let me know what "answers" you want, and I'll add them. The question is: What kind of mass do you attend? Or you can change that...and I'll post if for you!
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It's "C" for us as we attend St. Patrick's Church on Camp St. in New Orleans - 9:30a.m. is the Indult. We drive an hour to get there and it's so worth the effort!
The priest is very supportive of home schooling families.
check out St. Pat's website:
www.oldstpatricks.org
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We attend B!
And I have to vouch for Our Lady of Peace in Santa Clara, CA that Nina was referring to - that's where I first saw Nina, btw - I didn't meet her until I moved up here to No CA - but Our Lady of Peace was totally awesome!
Nina, did you know that my dh and I were married there by Monsignor Sweeny and Father Warren - two saints!
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The only problem with a poll is how many answers don't really fit the categories so it would be hard to get accurate results. As a poll, I probably wouldn't have answered because I couldn't have filled any bubble in without explanation. How many people would answer none of the above . Great idea though.
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I guess we are a "smorgasboard."
Which Mass (and church) we attend, depends on timing.
Our "registered" parish, which we attend once or twice a month, isn't charismatic by most terms (there is one in the area, in Ann Arbor which Al Kresta and Steve Ray-for any of you who are familiar with them- attend.)
Our church has changed a lot since our pastor was reassigned. We now have drums, piano, soprano saxophone, flute, tambourine, and that wooden board with the bumpy side that they rub a stick over- can't remember its name . A few weeks ago, the "band" told everyone to "just put down your books and clap along."  (I love music, but truthfully, I often feel like I am in a jazz club- and I like jazz! just not in church.)
We usually go to a church, more *B* in character. Probably 2-3 times a month.
We occasionally attend a *C* Mass with my bil, at a church in Detroit.
There is another *B* church we attend, once or twice a year, that is more *B* even than our usual *B* church, but it is further away, on the "east" side of our metro area.
Isn't it interesting the variances in the Masses? I was raised Episcopal, in a church which was a rather "high" Episcopal, of sorts. So, I kind of feel most comfortable and *closer to God* in a church that is quieter, with a choir, that sings *older* music, and has the incense, etc. Serenity... now I just wish I could duplicate some serenity for our rowdy home!
Do most attend churches that are similar to what they attended as children, I wonder?
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Thank you for that comprehensive answer, Stacy.
Dear Maria,
Oh, yes, I know that; I pray to Fr. Sweeney everyday. Don't tell me Fr. Warren has passed and we didn't hear?
Is your "B" St. Rose's? I love Fr. Kavanaugh!
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Nina Murphy wrote:
Dear Maria,
Oh, yes, I know that; I pray to Fr. Sweeney everyday. Don't tell me Fr. Warren has passed and we didn't hear?
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We pray daily to Msgnr Sweeny, too, Nina! And I have not heard about Fr. Warren. He's been on my mind ALOT lately, too.
And yes, "B" is St. Rose's!
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Okay, Macbeth, do you mind helping? I'm not sure how to best word the choices---perhaps
English Mass, on the "progressive" side ?
English Mass, on the "traditional" side ?
Latin Mass, with jurisdiction ?
Latin Mass, w/out jurisdiction ?
Byzantine, Croation, Marianite, Ukranian or Other rite
Suggestions, editing, and modifications would be appreciated. 
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Done, Nina!
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For those who are interested someone forwarded this article to another list I am on :
Pope to bring Latin Mass in from the cold 
According to the article, priests will no longer need permission to say it unless a bishop strictly forbids it.
I hope it is sooner rather than later.
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Topic: Which Mass do you attend?
