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Please would you share your knowledge about wearing veils/mantillas.
1. Women wear black and teen girls ivory/white - is this correct?
2. Do little girls wear veils?
3. Best places to buy veils/mantillas?
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Adding a fourth question:
4. Veil/mantilla patterns and sewing tips...do they exist?
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MarilynW wrote:
Please would you share your knowledge about wearing veils/mantillas.
1. Women wear black and teen girls ivory/white - is this correct?
We attend Latin Mass and I have never seen a color classification between women and teens.
2. Do little girls wear veils? Yes, even babies!
3. Best places to buy veils/mantillas?
Wherever Catholic religious items are sold
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There are no hard and fast rules, but I've seen a few approaches:
** Married women in black/dark colors & unmarried women in white/ivory
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** Veil with the liturgical year/Feast/Solemnity.
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** Follow a combination of both. That's what we do. My girls usually wear white/cream and I usually wear a brown veil (Princess style is my favorite because it's easy to wear and the baby doesn't grab it as easily). For Lent, penitential times, funerals, we all wear black. For Solemnities, Feasts of Our Lady, etc., we all wear white/ivory. We always wear something white or ivory for Christmas and Easter.
But again, there are no rules on the color of the veil. My oldest daughter has a turquoise veil she sometimes wears, and my 5 yo enjoys her pink veil.
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Yes, they can. We usually start with our little girls in veils around 2 or 3. Some little girls wear bonnets.
It's been my experience that for little girls, the sewn in combs that you sometimes see offered in little girl veils are more of a nuisance than a help. And, since little girls often have that baby fine hair, bobby pins don't always work either until they're around 4 or 5. For our little girls, we've always had the best luck with a small triangle veil with ties - like the one on this page (scroll down to the Little Michelle Angelica).
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There are several sites that offer beautiful mantillas. I'll share a couple of my favorites:
Roman Catholic Sacramentals - They have some really pretty lace. They're selection of styles used to be much larger.
Rosa Mystica - lovely colors and choices here!
Silver Hill Treasures - haven't ordered from them, but they have some pretty veils.
Veils & Mantillas - another pretty shop. Just as an example, my favorite veil style is the Princess because it is a nice, soft rounded edge around front and works well for an active mom with a grabby baby. 
Veils by Lily - very pretty. Just for reference, any time you see Spanish Lace, know that it will be the most beautiful and fluid of all the laces, but it can also be hard to wear because it easily slips off, making your veil more of a distraction. Still, spanish lace is so pretty!!! It's worth a couple of bobby pins to try one!
You can also find several in various etsy shops.
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Yes.
Kimberlee at Pondered In My Heart has a wonderful tutorial that could easily be adapted for any style preference, size, color, or lace embellishment!
Also, for a young girl, it is very easy to add seam binding along the long edge of a small triangle veil and leave the seam binding long enough to tie under her chin as Kimberlee shows in her tutorial. That's straight line sewing and super simple!
Also, for periodic washing, we just toss ours in the washer with woolite or something similar and wash on the delicate cycle. Lay flat to dry.
Hope this is a help!
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MarilynW wrote:
Please would you share your knowledge about wearing veils/mantillas.
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Traditionally, married women wear black. Single women and girls wear white. At my parish, women do not always follow this tradition. I do not know whether it is followed elsewhere.
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I try to encourage my little girls to wear a veil before First Communion age, but I don't require it. My current little girl doesn't like to wear veils (she does so occasionally). Manners in God's House made her want to wear a veil. My little girl does like hats, but she tends to take them off and put them on, so I find hats a distraction.
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I have purchased from Modesty Veils. The girls kerchief is great. Our local Catholic bookstore carries veils and so does Adoremus Books.
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Kimberlee has a tutorial for making veils. I actually made mine by hand (no sewing machine) prior to seeing her tutorial. This allows me to do the stitching in the car as we head to Mass. I am sorry that I do not have a tutorial for how I make mine.
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Thank you so much for all the information. This is all so helpful.
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One more question - what size veil for a little girl? I am looking at Veils by Lily - and they do not have a triangular veil in a child's size. My 4 year old does not like anything that ties under her neck. Can I just get her a regular size?
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I don't know much about veils but I do know "slickery" hair and if you want clips that will stay in better than most, try these bendable snap clips
They come in a variety of colors and sizes so you can pick something that will be less obvious against the veil (I've seen them in the little girls section in colors like pinks and blues too).
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JodieLyn wrote:
I don't know much about veils but I do know "slickery" hair and if you want clips that will stay in better than most, try these bendable snap clips
They come in a variety of colors and sizes so you can pick something that will be less obvious against the veil (I've seen them in the little girls section in colors like pinks and blues too). |
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The only problem with clips like that, that do work great in fine hair, is that they won't easily go through the lace like a bobby pin does. And you definitely CAN just sew a couple of simple stitches to hold the clip in place, which I've tried, but for some reason it starts to get annoying to us. You can't always anticipate if your dd is going to wear a pony tail, hair down, barette...and the style of the day does sometimes dictate the veil-holder placement.
So...just offering that for consideration...it is nice to be able to decide at the moment exactly where to clip, and to be able to clip through the lace veil for a secure hold.
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MarilynW wrote:
| One more question - what size veil for a little girl? I am looking at Veils by Lily - and they do not have a triangular veil in a child's size. My 4 year old does not like anything that ties under her neck. Can I just get her a regular size? |
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You can get any size you like, M. A small rounded veil might work better on a little girl than a regular triangle size, Marilyn - something like this. And your sweet dd has plenty of hair for holding a bobby pin or clip so you should be fine without ties.
Two clips/bobby pins on the top-and-side work better than one bobby pin/clip in the very top-middle...and two is more secure - one just pulls the hair if the veil starts to slip.
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If you want to experiment with different shapes and sizes before you decide to spend the money....you can buy inexpensive lace at the fabric store and zigzag around the raw edges (while pulling on the fabric) to create a scalloped effect.
Especially if you have older girls....they are going to have OPINIONS  about what shape, how big, color, etc. AFTER they start wearing them.
Here is what I did several years ago and still do: Experimenting with Lace and Veils.
In our parish, I see lots of white veils on married women, and lots of dark veils on younger girls....so, even though their is that "idea" of black-married, white/ivory-younger, people don't follow it nec. My 11 yo LOVES my black veil, so that's the one she wears most. I asked her if she would like the same one in white or ivory, and she looked at me like I was a two-headed monster, so I guess she really likes BLACK! 
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We've purchased from Roman Catholic Sacramentals (same as Jen's link above) and like them. I like how they have the categories set up, it helps you narrow down to what you want and then you select the lace.
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Thank you again.
Yes Suzanne - I am waiting to hear back from dd as to color and style. Her one Christmas present request was a veil/mantilla - but I am sure she has definite ideas as to what she wants!
I like the idea of making them eventually - but for right now I would like to start off with buying.
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Marilyn, I've noticed some families tie veils behind their little girls' heads, bandana style, which seems to work well at keeping them in place for the wigglier set. My granddaughter and I were blessed to find about eight veils at Goodwill, all in one swell shopping venture, so it might be worthwhile to check thrift shops when you're in the market for veils! Ebay and etsy are also good places to search for vintage veils/mantillas.
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I was thinking clips for front edge so yes they'd show on top (why you'd get matching colors) but there'd be no problem sliding them in that way.
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Traditionally, married women wear black. Single women and girls wear white. At my parish, women do not always follow this tradition. I do not know whether it is followed elsewhere.
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I don't mean to be nitpicky but traditionally women, except in a few countries, didn't mantillas at all. Women wore hats or scarves.
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SuzanneG wrote:
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This is what I have done for my girls. I have also just straight-hemmed the edges and used the pre-scalloped selvedge end as the front, which looks nice for girls' veils. Then I can make them whatever size I want (besides it being really cheap, less than $1 each).
For my little girls (preschoolers and toddlers), I have a veil lightly sewn to a headband that stays on like a dream. My problem has been finding girl-sized headbands with little teeth that stay in my girls' superfine hair. One of ours broke, so I'm left with only one now. I'd love to make more, as they work so well.
As others mentioned, I do bonnets for baby/toddler girls. But I haven't made veil wearing "required" until FHC age, which seems to be the trend at our parish. Most little girls (maybe ages 3 and up?) do veil, but the veil sometimes gets taken off halfway through. :) My girls like to keep their veils on (like Mommy ;) ), but I have no problem with my babies/toddlers being bonnet-less when they're in those stages of not wanting to wear hats. I don't let them play with their veil/bonnet/hat, though--it's either wear it nicely, or I put it away. ;)
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I got my 7yo daughter her own grown-up veil to wear on her FHC and afterward. I decided on this one after reading Jessica's recommendation at Shower of Roses and it is SO lovely. It's a bit big for her, but not overly so, and she'll grow into it.
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In our parish, I see lots of white veils on married women, and lots of dark veils on younger girls....so, even though their is that "idea" of black-married, white/ivory-younger, people don't follow it nec
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People don't follow the tradition here either. Most young girls do wear white, but ladies (married or unmarried) wear black to white to various other colors. So there really isn't a rule I'd be concerned about.
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Traditionally, married women wear black. Single women and girls wear white. At my parish, women do not always follow this tradition. I do not know whether it is followed elsewhere.
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I don't mean to be nitpicky but traditionally women, except in a few countries, didn't mantillas at all. Women wore hats or scarves.
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I'm pretty sure she means traditionally, where veils are worn.
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JodieLyn wrote:
I don't know much about veils but I do know "slickery" hair and if you want clips that will stay in better than most, try these bendable snap clips
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These do work nicely when clipped by the temples, going over, not through the lace. We know a family at church where they all wear their's this way, even the Mom. We don't prefer it for older veil wearers here, but it *does* work well for a younger girl who doesn't like it tied, which is a timely reminder, as our almost 3 year old seems to be starting to not like the way of tying it under the chin. Our oldest wore her's with barettes like that for a while, now she doesn't like anything to hold it on. I still use bobby pins, as there is always a small child/baby in arms.
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I don't mean to be nitpicky but traditionally women, except in a few countries, didn't mantillas at all. Women wore hats or scarves.
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That is true, though when we started going to the TLM, my grandmother sent me the headcoverings she used to wear, including a few scarves and two lovely (and unfortunately very fragile!) lace mantillas. She said when she was growing up, they wore the lace mantillas most often--this was in New York. My other grandmother said the same about when she was a young, married lady, and all the pictures of her and her friends at the sacraments for their children showed them in lace veils. So although there were lots of options for head coverings pre-V2, mantillas were a tradition here in America too.
That said, there is one lady my age at my parish that always wears a hat and always looks so fashionable and lovely. 
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