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I just posted in my garden blog about needing some inspiration in dedicating each of my permanent beds to a particular saint. I'd love it if some of you ladies could pop over and give me a hand in figuring out which saints would be appropriate for my Italian, Herb tea, and poultry seasonings beds. I'm sure most of you know alot more about the saints than I do and could help me choose wisely.
Saints in the Garden
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Theresa,
Rachel's recent post, Saint and Marian Gardens might be helpful to you. She might also be able to provide you with some more insight.
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Isn't it funny how these things crop up
You'll probably want to check out the Marian Gardens site because they have tonnes of information on there.
Also, the book Herb Gardens of Delight by Adelma Grenier Simmons has a whole chapter dedicated to saints gardens.
The way she did it however, was not to dedicate each bed to a saint, but to have the biblical theme running through the garden.
You might also like to look at the Brother Cadfael herb garden books...
LMK if you want more specifics.
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I answered on your blog... mroe specific to the actual question giving you a great link to see
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I'm reading a fabulous book right now on Medieval Gardens, and I would highly recommend St. Benedict for the Italian garden. His establishment of his Rule and his monasteries set up a pattern of monastic gardening which many point to the beginning of herb gardens.
Plus...our current pope will be remembered in prayer when one strolls the garden.
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Saint Brigid would be an excellent choice for the poultry garden as she is the patron saint of not only poultry farmers but scholars, babies and travellers, as well.
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Hey Jenn, what book are on Medieval Gardening are you reading????
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Woo hoo! Sts. Benedict and Brigit it is! I was also thinking maybe St. Fiacre for the herb tea bed, thanks to an interesting link from Rachel. I need to read up on him as I have seen statues of him as the patron of gardeners, but never heard much about his life.
Thanks, everyone!
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Kelly wrote:
Hey Jenn, what book are on Medieval Gardening are you reading???? |
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I'd love to know too! We are starting middle ages in a few months and I'd like to tie in the Mary garden and herbs etc.
Also, I know I'm coming to this thread late, but I have been looking around for a patron saint of trees and I came across Patron Saints of Gardens and Gardeners today.
Does anyone know of any saints connected with trees or tree stories?
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Sorry, I was out of town, so I couldn't answer right away.
JennGM wrote:
I'm reading a fabulous book right now on Medieval Gardens, and I would highly recommend St. Benedict for the Italian garden. His establishment of his Rule and his monasteries set up a pattern of monastic gardening which many point to the beginning of herb gardens.
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I need to make a correction. Herbal gardening has been around since before Biblical times. But specialized herb gardens really excelled under monastic touch, particularly Benedictines, especially in the infirmary gardens.
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Kelly wrote:
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I'd love to know too! We are starting middle ages in a few months and I'd like to tie in the Mary garden and herbs etc. |
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After seeing Rachel's posts on herbs, I remembered how much I enjoyed reading about herbs, and wanted to read more historical perspectives of herb gardening. I picked this book up at the library on Thursday when I was scanning the shelves.
It's called Medieval English Gardens by Teresa McLean, Viking Press, New York, 1980. I couldn't put it down all weekend. It's a scholarly look at Medieval English Gardens, but it examines thoroughly from the Monastic Garden; Cities and Towns; Castle, Palace and Manor House Gardens; Love Gardens; Flower Gardens; Herb Gardens; Vegetable Gardens; Orchard, Fruit and Tree Gardens and Vineyards.
I'm almost done. I only have a few criticisms, and they are minor. It doesn't include footnotes, which for me is frustrating, because there are some tidbits I want to research further and her list of sources is immense (primary and secondary). I found quite a few blaring typos, and one or two inaccurate references to liturgical things (such as the liturgical color for Lent is white ). The writing doesn't always flow well. But these are minor criticisms.
Medieval times were so interwoven with the Catholic faith, that all through the book different tidbits of information regarding saints, Biblical gardens, feast days, monastic life, Mary gardens....plus you get some glimpses into history. It's all intertwined really well.
Like I said, I couldn't put it down. My mil was sure it was a novel, the way I was spellbound. I was furiously taking notes which was slowing down my reading, so dh told me to just buy the book. So I just did.
Unfortunately, it's OOP. But I found a few reasonably priced copies at www.bookfinder.com.
I found a few references to this book and the author on the Mary Gardens site, including Mary Gardens. They also think it's a really good book: I was struck that this most excellent book developed a thesis, with extensive documentation, of the deterioration of the religious sense of gardening in England associated with the Anglican schism and the dissolution of monasticism...quite similar to the thesis I developed
in my 1953 article, "Man in God's Garden".
The inside rear fly-leaf of the book jacket indicates that Teresa McLean is 30 years old, is of Irish-Scottish-English background, was educated in an English convent school, read history at Oxford, wrote a doctoral thesis on the estates of a Priory for Cambridge and worked for a year with Mother Teresa in Calcutta - from all this
very evidently a Roman Catholic.
Dawn wrote:
Also, I know I'm coming to this thread late, but I have been looking around for a patron saint of trees and I came across Patron Saints of Gardens and Gardeners today.
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Dawn, (according to this book)
p. 120 'Paradise', said St Augustine, 'is a place where there are trees growing.' He had some other things to say about it but this simple statement gives us a crucial insight into the medieval vision of Paradise. According to St Augustine, it was generally thought of in three ways: materially, as a place somewhere on the earth; spiritually, as state of the soul, and in both ways at different times. He himself thought of it in this last, double way, which was the one that appealed most to the medieval mind. The basic image of it which each of the views interpreted was the one described in Genesis 2:8-9: the place with tree to which St. Augustine alluded; the Garden of Eden.
p. 125 Eden was a tree garden, and the mystical trees of good and evil which grew in it never lost their appeal for the Medievals; indeed it increased throughout the period. The New Testament constantly uses trees as symbols, the greatest of them being the Tree of the Cross itself. Because of its role in the Redemption, it was depicted as the opposite of the Tree of Sins. As the Tree of the Cross became a more and more popular theme from the twelfth to the fourteenth century, so did the theme of the two opposing tree of good and evil. Whole systems of vices and virtues were worked out on these symbolic trees. The shade of the Tree of Good was generally represented in the Middle Ages as Sapientia -- the true wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, the Book of Wisdom, and the shade of the Tree of Evil as scientia -- the false wisdom of the world. This was in accordance with the Augustinian dichotomy between Charity and Cupidity, which was the basis of the whole iconographical scheme of the opposing trees.
I'd be tempted to name my trees after Adam and Eve, but for more food for though, some saints:
::Foresters
::Forests
::gardeners
::Farm workers
::Florists
::Flower Growers
St Phocas is mentioned in the above book...very interesting end of his life!
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Thanks, Jenn. It sounds like a very tempting read. I'm checking it out.
I know I'm probably 'WAY off base, but wasn't there some story about St. Francis living in a tree house for a while? I remember reading *some* saint story in a children's book of saints about a saint who lived in a tree. I'm going nuts racking my pea brain.
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Kelly wrote:
Thanks, Jenn. It sounds like a very tempting read. I'm checking it out.
I know I'm probably 'WAY off base, but wasn't there some story about St. Francis living in a tree house for a while? I remember reading *some* saint story in a children's book of saints about a saint who lived in a tree. I'm going nuts racking my pea brain. |
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Doesn't ring a bell, but I did some searching. St. Kevin lived in a hollow tree for a few years. Could it be he?
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~Rachel~ wrote:
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Where is this answer? I'm intrigued by your link, and Theresa refers to it...can you clue us in, please?
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The link I found was on Rachel's website.here
Not alot of info there, but it led me on a trail to find out more about St Fiacre.
here
and here
and here
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JennGM wrote:
Kelly wrote:
I know I'm probably 'WAY off base, but wasn't there some story about St. Francis living in a tree house for a while? I remember reading *some* saint story in a children's book of saints about a saint who lived in a tree. I'm going nuts racking my pea brain. |
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Doesn't ring a bell, but I did some searching. St. Kevin lived in a hollow tree for a few years. Could it be he? |
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Thank you Jenn for your research! We are studying trees right now, and as with anything we do, I like to tie in our faith in some way.
As you mention, there are several ways we could look at trees in a "Catholic light" ...
1. St. Kevin living in a tree (thank you Kelly too!)
2. the tree of the Cross (was it the dogwood ~ as mentioned in The Jesus Garden?)
3. the legend of the three trees
4. the symbolic trees in the Garden of Eden ...
Thanks again!
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JennGM wrote:
Medieval times were so interwoven with the Catholic faith, that all through the book different tidbits of information regarding saints, Biblical gardens, feast days, monastic life, Mary gardens....plus you get some glimpses into history. It's all intertwined really well. |
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The book sounds very interesting, Jenn! I thought I would mention that in Mary's Flowers there's quite a bit of information about Medieval Marian devotion and the flowers and herbs that are honored by a connection with Our Lady ...
I keep picking the book up and reading a bit here and there, but I really should just read it right through cover to cover!
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Dawn wrote:
JennGM wrote:
Medieval times were so interwoven with the Catholic faith, that all through the book different tidbits of information regarding saints, Biblical gardens, feast days, monastic life, Mary gardens....plus you get some glimpses into history. It's all intertwined really well. |
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The book sounds very interesting, Jenn! I thought I would mention that in Mary's Flowers there's quite a bit of information about Medieval Marian devotion and the flowers and herbs that are honored by a connection with Our Lady ...
I keep picking the book up and reading a bit here and there, but I really should just read it right through cover to cover! |
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I just love Mary's Flowers...it's a fabulous book. I should reread it, also. This other book is a different approach, but yes, some similar subjects and information.
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Today, May 15, is the optional memorial of St. Isidore the Farmer.. More here.
He's the patron saint of farmers and "agricultural workers"...I'm very fond of him and St. Maria, his wife. He's a saint I'd gladly put into the garden, although it's not technically a farm.
The story of the angels plowing for him while he went to Mass and prayed is similar to Tomie de Paola's "Pascual and the Kitchen Angels."
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The link I mentioned is the first one Theresa Quoted which is the link to the list of Patron Saints... it's a good one
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We're kind of outside the gardening season, but I wanted to mention that in the Winter 2006 issue of The Herb Quarterly there is an article called "A Saintly Sanctuary" - all about creating a garden filled with plants representative of saints through the year.
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