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| The dropped waist is what put it off for me. She didn't have a ladylike form in the dress. |
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I came across someone's dissertation AGES ago, in the early days of the Internet, that was about fashion in the 1920s. It was fascinating how she described the fashion being a direct result of the rise of feminism., and I don't think this person was necessarily against feminism, just offering historical insight. Up until that time, men, as the entrepreneurs and leaders of industry, had primarily dictated fashion, but with feminism, woman took more leadership roles for the first time.
Since feminism was in many ways an attempt at equalizing, the fashion was to make women look like men. This was when you first saw the "waif" become popular. Mdern women often complain that "men" have unrealistic expectstions about women being thin, but the look actually originated with the early feminists! Prior to that, women were expected to be curvy. To promote this equalizing, masculine look, the clothing was made to emphasize broad shoulders flat chests, and no waist.
All that to say, when you observe that she did not have a ladylike form in the dress, that is precisely the goal of the style. To a modern eye, it is a frilly dress and therefore feminine. But I think that at the time, the idea was that it be "masculine."
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Oh, and I was married in 2003, and I got my gown used. It did not have sleeves, but it had a high neckline and wide straps. I was so happy to have found it!
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Terrible stuff that feminism. I remember my great great aunts recalling those days. They didn't have the boyish figure, and tried to band themselves to be flat. Did terrible damage to themselves.
I wouldn't be able to wear those fashions either. Too hippy and busty.
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| Serial posting, but one last thought. Would a traditional family have had a family gown? That is also what threw me. Everything is about Tradition, but then they are modern in their clothing. |
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I think part of the tradition of the aristocracy is to have the latest fashions - it was all about style and show.
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I was a 1998 bride and had just cap sleeves on my gown.
I do SO hope the drop waist fashion never comes back- though I do see it from time to time in places like Lands End in the girls styles.
I wonder if/when the strapless wedding dress style will fade out. It has been going strong for ages now.
Maybe in 20 years we'll look back and say, "The strapless gown and stainless steel appliances faded out quietly together." 
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The whole first episode really just seemed to have so many sudden changes. I have a little trouble following all the time jumps. There was one point in season 2 where things really jumped and I was confused. It just really seemed like from the end of season 2 to the beginning of 3 the fashions changed dramatically. But I haven't gone back to look and confirm. Yes, I thought the dress was less than stunning. She didn't look her best.
I was a 2003 bride and had off the shoulder cap sleeves. I'd always hoped my sister might wear it but alas, no, she's gone with strapless.
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MaryM wrote:
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| My own wedding dress had short sleeves- not strapless. Anyone else have a nonstrapless dress? |
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Mine was not strapless - no one in the 80's was. Ladies who got married in the 80's, am I right? Instead lots of poofy sleeves - just like the hair!! Think Lady Diana's dress. The strapless phenomena is really more from the last 15 years, around the millenium. |
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I got married in 1986 and had full sleeves that came to a laced point at the wrists and had organza puffs at the shoulders. And a high neck. It was what was in style.
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Cay Gibson wrote:
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| My own wedding dress had short sleeves- not strapless. Anyone else have a nonstrapless dress? |
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Mine was not strapless - no one in the 80's was. Ladies who got married in the 80's, am I right? Instead lots of poofy sleeves - just like the hair!! Think Lady Diana's dress. The strapless phenomena is really more from the last 15 years, around the millenium. |
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I got married in 1986 and had full sleeves that came to a laced point at the wrists and had organza puffs at the shoulders. And a high neck. It was what was in style. |
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Yes, it was the style, wasn't it Cay?
I didn't have the poofy sleeves - just long sleeves, but anytime I see a dress with those sleeves, I know it was the 80's. Some samples for your viewing entertainment (from awkward family photos website - so you know they are the extremes)
I found this article on wedding dress styles through the 20th century.
wedding dress style from the 20s-90s
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That is so funny, Mary
After reading the article and seeing the 70's fashions, I'm thinking the 20's look pretty good!
My favorite was the 30's 
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I believe the drop waist fashion has come back in the form of low rise jeans.  I'm so glad I didn't marry in the 80's! Of course, I still like the big hair! 
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Those are the poofiest sleeves I've ever seen!
I too am rather glad I had prom in the 80s, but married in the late 90s!
My fave has got to be the 50s dresses, reminiscent of Grace Kelly.
Understanding Mary's dress in the context of the feminist movement helps curb the disappointment!
This morning I was exploring Dan Stevens on the PBS Masterpiece site and finally placed him as Edward Ferrars in the BBC Sense & Sensibility. Can't believe that escaped me all this time! 
Now, who thinks Bates is actually guilty? (besides me)
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Bates....guilty.
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No idea on Bates. I thought he was innocent last season and this season makes him look guility. Maybe Anna will be doubting his innocence. Of course, it seems like everything turns out rosy, so I expect this to turn out rosy too.
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I think he is capable as we are now seeing this temper and prison darkened side, but I just can't believe he would lie to Anna and lead her on. So maybe I'm just hopeful.
Poor Lady Edith!!! Really, I am so sad for her. The family doesn't want her to become a drudge to an old man, but she is going to become one to her own parents in the long run. They have never done anything to support or help her.
So what did you think of her "almost"wedding dress? In comparison to Lady Mary's?
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No I think they gave us a clue of his innocence. The woman Anna was speaking to made a comment that Vera was scrubbing the pastry from under her nails like her life depended on it (or something to that effect). It made me think that Vera had put arsenic in the pastry and perhaps she had actually intended it for Bates.
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MaryM wrote:
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Or not. The new footman Alfred seems like he might be keen on her. Sybil ran off with the chauffeur after all so why not a footman?
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I liked Lady Edith's wedding dress! I thought the back detail was so pretty, and she was just radiant in it before it all fell apart.
I do heavily blame Robert and Violet for the nonwedding. Robert was so cold to Antony even up to the last minute. No encouragement there at all. And at the church Violet practically shooed him out the door. 
The scene where Cora was comforting Edith afterwards was very touching to me- her words about being tested, were perfect.
Does it seem like Alfred is getting a lot of air time? Is it just because he is new or is there a big plot line coming along there?
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MicheleQ wrote:
No I think they gave us a clue of his innocence. The woman Anna was speaking to made a comment that Vera was scrubbing the pastry from under her nails like her life depended on it (or something to that effect). It made me think that Vera had put arsenic in the pastry and perhaps she had actually intended it for Bates. |
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This and the facts that in season 1 the talk that Vera had with Sir Richard about how she would make Bates pay. Makes me think she was mad enough to take her own life and set it up as if Bates did it.
Loved the dress! I did see that she was looking more forward to taking care of him instead of true love. I think she is just looking for a purpose in life. I cried for her! Can't wait until next week!
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I like the dropped waists- probably because I am curvless My wedding dress was a simple cotton one with a dropped waist!
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Kristie 4 wrote:
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Mine too! (Although I am far from curveless, LOL!)
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