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I'm afraid the Super Bowl might conflict with the next episode for us on the East coast.
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I think everywhere, unless maybe on the West Coast they have a delay? We are CT here in TX, and we'll have the super bowl starting at 5:30 and Downton at 8 pm. No way it will be over.. I think we'll be watching Mon night on PBS web site.
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AmandaV wrote:
| I think everywhere, unless maybe on the West Coast they have a delay? We are CT here in TX, and we'll have the super bowl starting at 5:30 and Downton at 8 pm. No way it will be over.. I think we'll be watching Mon night on PBS web site. |
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It likely won't affect us in Mountain Time - Super Bowl at 4:30, unless overtime will be done by 9 PM which is our Downton time.
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Watching this season really puts into perspective the difficulty of changing from the Victorian age into the new century. You can feel the sadness of having the world change around you, but also feel the excitement of the young people that have a different future to dream about.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but you can watch all of season 3 free here.
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 I didn't know this was out there! Dh and I watched two of them yesterday. Hoping to finish up the season this week.
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Ladies, I am getting awfully uneasy with the whole Thomas story-line. I feel like there is such an agenda being pushed here.....it feels a bit inauthentic for the time period, like would it ever, ever be mentioned or discussed in this setting during this particular time period?? Ugh.....I don’t like it, not one tiny bit. I always feel a bit jarred by the flirting and such....I feel like throwing in my Downton Abbey towel.  Anyone else feel this way??
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mamaslearning wrote:
Watching this season really puts into perspective the difficulty of changing from the Victorian age into the new century. You can feel the sadness of having the world change around you, but also feel the excitement of the young people that have a different future to dream about.
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I think that sums up season 3 in a nutshell
Carson and Robert are having such a hard time letting go of old ways, and they are suffering. OTOH, there is Mrs. Hughes, who brings on the electric toaster.
Forward a hundred years or so, and it would be Mr. Carson and Robert hugging their bookshelves while Mrs. Hughes downloads Clutterbusters to her Kindle. 
I found it interesting last night that Mr. Mason was so forward thinking- asking Daisy if she thought the big houses were going to go in the same way for the next forty years. He must be older than Robert, yet he seems calm in accepting that change will come. But then he's dealt with a lot in his lifetime.
Seeing everyone in black all the time reminded me how shallow I am...
I missed all the gorgeous clothes.
Now that we know what game O'Brien is playing with Thomas and James, it will be interesting to see how it all turns out. I, too, hope there is no revisiting Thomas's love life 
Sometime's I think O'Brien is the smartest character in the house. It's like watching a mastermind....
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4 lads mom wrote:
| Ladies, I am getting awfully uneasy with the whole Thomas story-line. I feel like there is such an agenda being pushed here.....it feels a bit inauthentic for the time period, like would it ever, ever be mentioned or discussed in this setting during this particular time period?? Ugh.....I don’t like it, not one tiny bit. I always feel a bit jarred by the flirting and such....I feel like throwing in my Downton Abbey towel. Anyone else feel this way?? |
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That story line is a small part of the show so it's easy for me to not feel overly distracted. Overall, I'm still trusting that none of this is or is going to be glamorized. There are many ways in which the characters are "off track" and what keeps it interesting to me is the hope of eventually being "on track" - redemption. How humans can be so vulnerable. So cruel.
On a lighter note: Sesame Street: Upside Downton Abbey VIDEO
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I think Mr. Mason has less to lose with the changes, and that is why he is more flexible.
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The Sesame Street video was something all my kids could enjoy! I think they appreciated being included, since they seem to be giving me a hard time for having ONE show I have to watch.
I thought Edith's complexion looked particularly well in black - especially in Isobel's gray dining room. The ladies looked so sophisticated as they held their ground and held out for a "good pudding"!
I am also one who trusts Fellowes will not glorify homosexuality. I have read some articles that sheds light on the role of Catholicism in Downton; does anyone know if he has given public statements about Thomas' character? My understanding is that homosexuality was rampant at that time among young college men. I had to pause Brideshead Revisited to look up Evelyn Waugh and be prepared for where that story was going. Then there's E. M. Forester's Maurice.
The danger of Downton (for me) is that unlike movies based on literature, we don't know where this is all going!
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TracyFD wrote:
| I am also one who trusts Fellowes will not glorify homosexuality. I have read some articles that sheds light on the role of Catholicism in Downton; does anyone know if he has given public statements about Thomas' character? My understanding is that homosexuality was rampant at that time among young college men. I had to pause Brideshead Revisited to look up Evelyn Waugh and be prepared for where that story was going. Then there's E. M. Forester's Maurice. |
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I was about to type something similar about Brideshead Revisited. There was an issue of homosexuality in the Upstairs Downstairs series, but was portrayed as depraved and was punished and ostracized.
I see O'Brien setting them up, and Thomas is going to be banished for acting on this behavior. The footman is not going to tolerate that behavior, as he's not interested at all. Just my guess.
I found their negative references towards Catholicism incorrect, as high Anglican is just as much Latin, smells and bells than Catholicism at the time! The comments seem to be more Cromwellian than Anglican religion.
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Well, I think they're pretty establishment Low Church -- they call their Vicar "Mr," rather than "Father." Much of the smells-and-bells Anglo-Catholicism was centered in places like London's East End -- it definitely wasn't, by and large, the Anglicanism of the aristocracy.
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And even Anglo-Catholicism doesn't use Latin, at least not for the text of the Mass. They might sing sacred texts in Latin (I sure sang a lot of Latin as an Anglo-Catholic!), but the service itself would be in many ways a far cry from the Tridentine Mass of the time.
I think that for an aristocrat like Robert, the real issue is -- despite the fact that there were, and are, aristocratic families like the Dukes of Norfolk who have been historically Catholic, by and large Catholicism really was seen as "un-English" -- the religion of foreigners, so therefore suspect.
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Thanks for the clarification, Sally. Seems they had a house in Libdon and wouldn't be ignorant of High Anglican. I just thought some of the remarks were not applicable only to Catholics. But you're right, it's probably more anti-British than anything else.
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Yes, but people of their social eschelon were by and large not high Anglicans. Anglo-Catholicism was what happened in the London slums -- that's where those Oxford-Movement priests went to serve. The Granthams might have been vaguely aware of that kind of Anglicanism, but their own, and that of their circle, would have been of the low, broad, Protestant . "Mr. So-and-So the Vicar" variety. Anything smacking of Catholicity would have been declasse.
Anglicanism is kind of remarkable in its extremes, and in the suspicion those extremes have for each other. You can have Anglicans on the one hand holding processions and wafting about wearing birettas in billows of incense, and on the other hand, Anglicans horrified by even a hint of "popery." And it's *all* the Church of England!
Anyway, the whole Catholic theme is fascinating and seems right on the mark to me. A lot of it was anti-Irish prejudice, specifically, too.
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Those were really helpful explanations in understanding the context of Anglicans/Catholics of the period, Sally! And especially how it figured into their class system. Thank you for sharing! My thinking was along the lines of Jenn's original thoughts and it left me a little confused as to what the big hairy deal was for Robert.
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I loved how they stuck up for Tom at dinner with the Vicar!
Thanks for all the historical background information. It makes the series much more enjoyable to me.
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I'm so glad I spoke up so my views could be corrected! Thanks, Sally!
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Terrific background info! Thanks, Sally!
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I saw all of season 3 because of the library 
Anyhoo..no spoilers, but I am so mad at them. When anyone catches up to me, I would love to discuss the series.
It is hard not spoiling things...lol... 
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