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 - unfortunately I was expecting it as I had seen some spoilers. It was very dramatic though and I could see what was going to happen from the minute the know-it-all doctor showed up.
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It was terrible. So sad. I've been frustrated with the writing this season, and now I'm beginning to remember the problem with soaps. Long long ago I followed a daytime soap. And I finally realized NOTHING is every resolved. There always has to be a new problem/conflict. And now I'm wondering if that's the road Downton is taking. The acting is a zillion times better, of course, and the costumes, and the characters are interesting, but the storyline as of late... You know, I wonder if the first couple seasons were really planned out in a storyboard form before Fellowes filled it in, but now, he's just sort of rolling with the cast changes and deciding as he goes. It doesn't seem to have an onward thrust or direction. And I hate what they are doing to Mary after we started to root for her and she and Matthew figured things out. okay, enough complaining! :)
Not that I'll stop watching, yet... there are still some great characters.. and my husband and I watch together after watching the old episodes in the late fall and its been fun. But its just not as fun as it used to be.. Is it just me?
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 Such a sweet girl, and I enjoyed the story line. I'm not liking the interplay between Mary and Matthew. Makes me think that it was more a marriage of convenience even though the lead up was romantic. Maybe she never really loved him, or does not know how to love?
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I think Mary loves him very much.
She just loves herself more.
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I think she is just feeling torn between her loyalties to her father and to her new husband. She has always been a daddy's girl, after all.
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I just finished watching it with my dd- I felt the same, Mary is much too daddy-centered. I think she is having a hard time leaving the nest and being a wife. I must admit that Lady Grantham keeps improving with age.
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| Good news for Amazon Prime members. We've just completed a deal with PBS to make Prime Instant Video the exclusive subscription home for streaming Downton Abbey's Season 3 starting in June, and all new seasons for years to come. Prior Seasons 1 and 2, already the most popular TV seasons on Prime Instant Video, are available now for catch up viewing—and will also become exclusive to Prime Instant Video later this year. |
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And I did not see it coming and am not happy and have been a bit bummed this week.
And yes I'll keep watching 
Love.
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Just saw this. Too bad its not on prime a little sooner than June. Tough to pay for something that will be free in a few months. But oh-so hard to have kids completely settled by 8 pm so we can watch live on Sunday nights! New dilemma- a friend just got the DVD and is willing to lend out. I could possibly get it Thursday when my other friend finishes. Dare I?
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AmandaV wrote:
| Just saw this. Too bad its not on prime a little sooner than June. Tough to pay for something that will be free in a few months. But oh-so hard to have kids completely settled by 8 pm so we can watch live on Sunday nights! New dilemma- a friend just got the DVD and is willing to lend out. I could possibly get it Thursday when my other friend finishes. Dare I? |
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You can watch it streaming on PBS.org. All the current seasons episodes are there now, available the day after they air.
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And... so what will they name the baby?
Any guesses?
Somehow I don't think they will call her Sybil... but possibly could have that for a middle name.
Episode 4 was heartbreaking...so hard to watch.
I also agree that Mary loves her husband very much. And I think stress makes her frostier than ever.
Now here she is, wanting a baby so much, but just having seen her sister die having one. That might make any one of us more touchy than normal.
I totally get Mary as a character. Since the start of the series she is always, always being asked to do things she really doesn't want to do.
First it was marry Patrick, then marry Matthew to save the estate. Lots of pressure there- as if she alone can save the family. Everyone is pinning their hopes on her.
The she had to give up Matthew to Lavinia. Then there was a war that changed her world. Then she felt like she had to marry Richard Carlyle to protect the family, even though she really didn't want to.
More pressure from all sides.
Then she was in danger of having to give up her home, which she really didn't want to do (after years of hearing it was up to her to marry the right man to save it  ).
Now she wants a baby and can't have one (but is infertility really an issue here? Sheesh- they've only been married a few months). And her sister has just died.
So, yeah, I totally get why she might be cranky and cold and appear selfish. It is so hard to be the one who is always forced to give in or give up or do the right thing for the greater good all the time when you really want to do something else.
Anyway.. looking forward to Sunday night, and no- I wouldn't watch the dvd! I like seeing the episodes one at a time and mulling them over.
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Hmm, I wonder if Tom might decide to give up the baby to Mary and Matthew. Wouldn't that be an interesting twist! Or maybe Tom turns out to be a doting father that integrates into the family and takes over the dilapidated farm that Matthew and Mary were touring and conversing about? Ooo, so many possibilities (but I still don't like the Sybil dying storyline).
I was totally shocked by the eclampsia (sp?). Could the doc really have saved her by a C-section? Was it a new procedure and that's why the uppity Doc didn't think it would work?
ETA - Just wanted to add that I know nothing of upcoming episodes and these are just my speculative thoughts. I didn't want you to think I had knowledge and was trying to spoil the series.
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I think Matthew called her a "pragmatist" an episode or two ago. I do think that her questioning his desire to correct the mismanagement is a little out of character given that all her other interactions with him and her family are very "practical."
Maybe she's just weary of being practical, as Melinda suggests? It happens 
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If done early enough, a caesarian can prevent eclampsia.
BUT
While it was apparent from the set up that that Dr. Clarkson was right and might have saved her, I think that the choice to listen to Sir Andrew made sense.
Dr. Clarkson has been WRONG in just about all his other diagnoses in the show--overly cautious and pessimistic.
And Sir Andrew was the expert in the field.
AND a caesarian would have sounded incredibly scary and risky at that time for all the reasons Sir Andrew stated!
I didn't LIKE the man one iota, but I can understand why they followed his advice
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Yes- I can understand why they listened to the expert.
My problem is that, as far as the story goes, he was very unbelievable as an expert! I mean- how could he dismiss all those symptoms as normal?
I think that is why Cora knew with her mother's instinct that something was very wrong. She's been through labor a few times, and she knows that , as bad as it can get, you don't hallucinate, have a terrible headache, etc.
The expert was very unrealistic, IMO. I guess there wasn't malpractice to worry about back then...
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I don't think he's really an expert. He's wanted there by Robert for the prestige, I think. Because he delivers the Royals, he is a good doctor, or so they think :)
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I am feeling a little left out because I have never watched Downton Abbey! 
But, I am happy to be able to post a funny little spoof done by Sesame Street called Upside Downton Abbey
ENJOY...... 
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Betsy wrote:
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I felt left out in the discussions last year. My daughter got me interested finally this year and I'm glad I've caught up and watching.
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Quite cute - thanks!
I found this from a medical article about the history of diagnosis and treatment of eclampsia. Sounds like England was behind the US by many years in the use of magnesium to treat.
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It was hard to designate a cause of maternal death to a disease until it had been discovered. Probably it was John Lever (1811-1859), a lecturer in obstetrics at Guy's Hospital, who first recognized the link between protinuria and fits. Blood pressure measurements did not start until the early days of the next century. Lever wondered if the disease was a manifestation of Bright's disease of the kidney and so this type of maternal death was often classified under renal causes. Its aetiology has been debated widely but its treatment was by sedation with drugs currently available, leading to the technique devised by Stroganoff (1857-1938) in 1898 of controlling fitting by the use of sub-cutaneous morphia and chloroform. Magnesium sulphate was first used in America in the 1920s and soon spread there to both treat and prevent fitting, but was not picked up in Britain until some 60 years after its widespread use in the USA.
The real management of eclampsia and pre-eclampsia followed its diagnosis and early treatment with hospitalization and bed rest in the 1920s. This was led by Dame Janet Campbell (1877-1954), a medical officer at the Department of Health, who started a national system of antenatal clinics with a uniform pattern of visits. This led to the boring and repetitive taking of blood pressures and checking urines of millions of women through the world, in order to detect the thousands who were going to develop eclampsia and the hundreds who could have died from convulsions. |
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And it indeed would have been. Caesareans had a higher maternal death at that time. There would have had to be serious reasons to do one. Sybil was in a pretty much lose-lose situation by the time they were debating what to do as it was really too late.
A friend of mine who is a midwife indicated that it was a little too modern of a medical quandry-- the difference of opinion part.
Interestingly Queen Elizabeth II was born by caesarean in 1926. Similar time frame. Not in a public hospital though - heaven forbid a royal would go to a public hospital...  
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Betsy wrote:
I am feeling a little left out because I have never watched Downton Abbey!
But, I am happy to be able to post a funny little spoof done by Sesame Street called Upside Downton Abbey
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The Carson Muppet looks just like Carson
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I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but you can watch all of season 3 free here.
Downton Abbey Season 3
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amyable wrote:
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but you can watch all of season 3 free here.
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Great site- but watch out for a spoiler on the front page
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