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I have been trying to post to this thread for a couple of days, but I am interrupted by my teens. I just cannot write and respond to them at the same time. 
I am truly happy to see this under discussion. I am also a convert and although my dh went to Catholic schools his entire life, he knows very little about the liturgical year. My children and homeschool are what about my interest in the liturgical year. I consider it one of the blessings and riches of our faith.
We live in a very secular culture. Only about ten percent of people attend church. There are so few wanting to join the Catholic Church (well, we are part of the United Kingdom), that my dh and I have been asked to tutor those who are joining. While we are going through the Catechism, I consider it part of my responsibility to teach also about the liturgical year and all the great saints who made our church what it is today. I must say that I am learning along with them, but then again, that is what I would expect.
I have really enjoyed Michele's calendar and I am so glad she added the EF. I also have the Saints Galore Calendar hanging in our learning area. I am pleased to be learning along with all of you and I will be watching this thread closely.
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One easy way to integrate the two calendars is to reference the Cycles. On the 1962 calendar there is the Christmas Cycle and the Easter Cycle. Right now we are in the Time after the Epiphany (EF) and Ordinary Time (OF) so here at home we say it is Ordinary Time in the Christmas Cycle. After Easter it will be Ordinary Time in the Easter Cycle. I am working on a image that will make some of this more clear. If you're like me it helps to "see" it. I'll post it when it's ready.
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MicheleQ wrote:
| One easy way to integrate the two calendars is to reference the Cycles. On the 1962 calendar there is the Christmas Cycle and the Easter Cycle. Right now we are in the Time after the Epiphany (EF) and Ordinary Time (OF) so here at home we say it is Ordinary Time in the Christmas Cycle. After Easter it will be Ordinary Time in the Easter Cycle. I am working on a image that will make some of this more clear. If you're like me it helps to "see" it. I'll post it when it's ready. |
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Oh me too...the being visual thing! I can't wait for your post! This sounds like a wonderful idea!
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MicheleQ wrote:
| One easy way to integrate the two calendars is to reference the Cycles. On the 1962 calendar there is the Christmas Cycle and the Easter Cycle. Right now we are in the Time after the Epiphany (EF) and Ordinary Time (OF) so here at home we say it is Ordinary Time in the Christmas Cycle. After Easter it will be Ordinary Time in the Easter Cycle. I am working on a image that will make some of this more clear. If you're like me it helps to "see" it. I'll post it when it's ready. |
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This is a very helpful way to look at it, Michele! It will make it easier to explain to the children why we still have some Christmas decorations up until Feb. 2 when the Church here (all OF) is celebrating Ordinary Time. Can anyone tell me if there is a Liturgy of the Hours being published now that correlates with the EF calendar? Is it an approved breviary?
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stellamaris wrote:
MicheleQ wrote:
| One easy way to integrate the two calendars is to reference the Cycles. On the 1962 calendar there is the Christmas Cycle and the Easter Cycle. Right now we are in the Time after the Epiphany (EF) and Ordinary Time (OF) so here at home we say it is Ordinary Time in the Christmas Cycle. After Easter it will be Ordinary Time in the Easter Cycle. I am working on a image that will make some of this more clear. If you're like me it helps to "see" it. I'll post it when it's ready. |
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This is a very helpful way to look at it, Michele! It will make it easier to explain to the children why we still have some Christmas decorations up until Feb. 2 when the Church here (all OF) is celebrating Ordinary Time. |
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Pray tell! Do you still hear/sing Christmas songs at Mass now until Feb. 2?
We do.
Not "Joy to the World" type songs, but songs from the songbook section called Christmastide. Yes, the liturgical color is green, but the Nativity stands and the music continues the Christmas season in a quiet way.
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Pray tell! Do you still hear/sing Christmas songs at Mass now until Feb. 2?
We do.
Not "Joy to the World" type songs, but songs from the songbook section called Christmastide. Yes, the liturgical color is green, but the Nativity stands and the music continues the Christmas season in a quiet way. |
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That just sounds so lovely to me...wistful thinking here...
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We have a few poinsettias on the altar. No Christmas music or nativity (although we still have ours out at home).
I'm especially wondering about the breviary, since there is no "Christmas" reference after Epiphany in my breviary. That's why I wondered if there is a different breviary associated with the EF Mass. I know that the breviary was revised, I'm just not sure when or how.
It seems to me that a revision of the calendar would require a revision of the breviary?
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I'm especially wondering about the breviary, since there is no "Christmas" reference after Epiphany in my breviary. That's why I wondered if there is a different breviary associated with the EF Mass. I know that the breviary was revised, I'm just not sure when or how.
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Yes. Baronius Press has one forthcoming.
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MicheleQ wrote:
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I'm especially wondering about the breviary, since there is no "Christmas" reference after Epiphany in my breviary. That's why I wondered if there is a different breviary associated with the EF Mass. I know that the breviary was revised, I'm just not sure when or how.
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and here is one online in Latin.
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I was also thinking that "Ordinary Time after Epiphany (or Christmas)" and "Ordinary Time after Easter" might work, too.
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| I was also thinking that "Ordinary Time after Epiphany (or Christmas)" and "Ordinary Time after Easter" might work, too. |
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But then, what do you do with the time that is just "plain" ordinary time after "the cycle" of whatever? Is it then "Ordinary Ordinary Time" 
We took down the decorations like the wreaths and trees and garland this past Saturday (before that weekends masses), but we did leave up the creche and the poinsettias on the main altar until Candlemas. Its better than having to give up Christmas cold turkey Our church has masses in both the EF and OF, but most of us that help with such things attend the EF, so we do tend to follow that calendar in regards to decorating.
Plus, our church is a victim of the vandalism of the 60s and 70s and it and all the walls, statues and stations are painted hospital white  Its really hard giving up that color, and we on the informal decorating committee are trying to figure out what some appropriate decorations to add color for Ordinary time might be. 
This Christmas, Father had collected enough brass candlesticks to have one for each window (which, are fortunately, lovely stained glass). I think I'm going to look for green candles to switch out and then maybe some purple (if I can find a nice dark shade) for Lent. We did make the dark purple sacks for the statues last Lent, so that, ironically, helps for that season.
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CrunchyMom wrote:
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Actually, I should have said "Ordinary time after Epiphany" and "Ordinary Time after Pentecost". Those are the only two parts of Ordinary Time. The second part is the "GREAT" Ordinary Time, because it takes up half the year. But it's still after Easter/Pentecost and part of the Easter Cycle.
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JennGM wrote:
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Actually, I should have said "Ordinary time after Epiphany" and "Ordinary Time after Pentecost". Those are the only two parts of Ordinary Time. The second part is the "GREAT" Ordinary Time, because it takes up half the year. But it's still after Easter/Pentecost and part of the Easter Cycle. |
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I see. I'm still a little fuzzy on the details, but, it seems like the phrasing would work for both calendars after Pentacost but still wouldn't account for the extra few weeks of the Christmas cycle on the old calendar which stretches out "Christmas" a smidge further. Or am I missing something???
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CrunchyMom wrote:
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But then, what do you do with the time that is just "plain" ordinary time after "the cycle" of whatever? Is it then "Ordinary Ordinary Time" |
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Actually, I should have said "Ordinary time after Epiphany" and "Ordinary Time after Pentecost". Those are the only two parts of Ordinary Time. The second part is the "GREAT" Ordinary Time, because it takes up half the year. But it's still after Easter/Pentecost and part of the Easter Cycle. |
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I see. I'm still a little fuzzy on the details, but, it seems like the phrasing would work for both calendars after Pentacost but still wouldn't account for the extra few weeks of the Christmas cycle on the old calendar which stretches out "Christmas" a smidge further. Or am I missing something??? |
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There are only two cycles. Christmas and Easter. Right up to Septuagesima Sunday it's still the Christmas Cycle and right up to the 1st Sunday of Advent it's the Easter Cycle.
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Maybe this will help:
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Time After Epiphany
The season of Time after Epiphany is more a season set up for liturgical reasons than spiritual ones, as it is spiritually a continuation of Christmas’s devotion to the Divine Childhood. Because the date of Easter changes each year, two seasons have variable lengths in order to balance the calendar. The Season of Time After Pentecost can have as few as 23 Sundays or as many as 28 Sundays depending on the date of Easter. This season can have anywhere from 4 to 38 days, depending on the date of Easter. If this season is short, then Time after Pentecost will be longer; and if this Season is long, Time after Pentecost will be shorter.
But the spiritual focus of the Season up until Candlemas is the continuation of Christmas and contemplation of the Divine Childhood. After Candlemas, the celebration of events of His young life gives way to a focus on His adult life.
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1 Like Septuagesima and Time after Pentecost, this Season is known as “Ordinary Time” in the new calendar. |
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Here's an snapshot of the Liturgical Year. This would be following the 1962 calendar. See how it has the Christmas Cycle (which is small) and the Easter Cycle. There are only two green parts, which are the Ordinary Time in the current calendar. Below is two years' ago, but gives the overview of the main seasons:
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So, where does the whole "Christmas until Candlemas" fit in? Is it just pious tradition?
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I would say to some extent yes. Beyond what the Pope said recently I haven't been able to find it anywhere "official". But it still works because we are in the Christmas Cycle until Pre-Lent.
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Here's a combination calendar image that I came up with to help visualize it:
The OF is the outer circle and the EF is the inner,
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Oh, that is so great, Michele. Just very little subtle changes, really, when you look at it!
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