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Chris, Birth can very well be all of that without hypno anything, Bradly anything, Lamaze anything, etc... I have birthed 9 beautiful babies in my own home now, and have been able to offer my pain and suffering during labor for various intentions - and even in my, um, 'not so graceful' moments of labor, God was the focus, and all Glory was given to Him! :)
I have found that each labor has it's own 'groove'. Once the baby and myself find that groove, be it walking circles around the living room, rocking on my hands and knees, floating in the birth pool, etc...the work of bringing that baby to the light of day falls into place. With Greta, it all happened so fast that we never did find that groove, but, it was all over pretty quick! 
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No, I don't believe that they get harder/longer/more difficult because my "uterus is tired" anymore. I used to however. It "seemed" that way.
1-8 hours
2-5 hours
3-on again, off again, in total 15 hours
4-3 hours
5-2 hours -induction
6-3-4 hours home birth w/ Midwife
7-2 hours -induction
8-3 hours -very complicated, forceps delivery
9-less than 3 hours --my very best birth, Praised be to God!
I think now, I see that birth is individual, each situation was different, thus each birth was different.
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About Hypnobirthing, I read some about it w/ expecting my 6th baby. I understand that I don't do the method, but I took something good away from reading it, that everyone essentially puts themselves in a state of hypnosis in a sense when we relax to go to sleep. So I just when labour is so out of control, I just go there, it's too much work to try to operate on the surface, so I go interiorly I think they call it "La-La-Land", it's the only escape! I too am super quiet, and the nurses are thrilled that I am so "relaxed".
I think relaxing is the key to labour going better, but there are things you can't control, like if baby turns, or goes occipital posterior.
Just two cents.
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Lisbet wrote:
| Chris, Birth can very well be all of that without hypno anything, Bradly anything, Lamaze anything, etc... |
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Absolutely, Lisa! Birthing is not just physical, it is emotional, it is spiritual. It is our entire state of being. Focusing on our own suffering (it hurts so bad, this is so awful, just hurry up and get this over with, I can't take it anymore, I need the meds! - these, by the way, are all things that I've said during those intense moments  ) didn't help me to accept, fully accept what I was in the midst of. Allowing it to happen, allowing the pain. Being strong in my mind, prepared to mentally battle those thoughts that pulled me down, was what brought me to a much deeper level of love of suffering for the sake of God's miracle of life. And in that, I didn't suffer at all, rather, savored each moment, each wave of intense contraction, as a wonderment of what God gave me the ablility to do, and the love of soon seeing my baby, face to face.
Lisbet wrote:
I have birthed 9 beautiful babies in my own home now, and have been able to offer my pain and suffering during labor for various intentions - and even in my, um, 'not so graceful' moments of labor, God was the focus, and all Glory was given to Him! :)
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So Beautiful! You are blessed 
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Chris V wrote:
| these, by the way, are all things that I've said during those intense moments ) |
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 I once, actually looked my husband square in the eyes, demanded him to march down to the basement get his hammer and jigsaw, knock me out and cut the baby out of me. I really, truly said that!
I have found it best, for myself, to accept the pain. I personally find words like 'waves' hogwash! It's pain, it hurts, it's supposed to. I accept that and unite it to Christ own suffering.
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All my babies except my little still born were born at home without any drugs or anything.
my #2 and #3 were the hardest.
#2 was small, but I was NOT calm. I felt like a caged animal. I was also not a christian.
#3 was 10 1/2 lbs and had shoulder dystocia. Very hard labor but since I had come back to the church I was praying through it. She was a waterbirth, and I did not find any relief in the water. I prefer now to give birth on dry land 
#1 was the same weight and problem as #3, but I guess I was so "green" and excited, the 21 hour labor wasnt agonizing to me
#4 was a stillbirth at 21 weeks, easy physically, terrible emotionally.
#5 was a beatutiful gift from God. I made sure to watch my sugar intake and she was a good #7.9. I listened to gregorain chant and prayed the entire time and offered it up to Our Lord. I was in my own "meditation" and it was totally catholic and wonderful! She was the best and easiest labor yet. LOTS of prayer and St Gianna will work miracles. That is the course I plan to follow for this baby in Feb.
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mamalove wrote:
#5 was a beatutiful gift from God. I made sure to watch my sugar intake and she was a good #7.9. |
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After talking with my midwife, I am planning to do the same next time! Good to know it helps.
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Interesting thread. Mine have all been different with levels of pain and outcomes. I have had an induced hospital vaginal birth, a c/s, two vbac homebirths and one vbac birth center birth. I used a hypnosis program with #3 and it worked very well. I decided with #4 and #5 to be open to the birth experience... whatever it would be, painless, painful, short, long, etc.
I used to believe in the "positive thinking" mentality. I still agree to a certain extent that a positive outlook helps. But now, I think surrender is more important than a positive outlook. I developed severe kidney problems in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy #4 and almost died 4 months postpartum. I endured almost a year of intense pain. I united my suffering with Christ on the cross and offered it for all of the suffering mothers of the world. That was the hardest but most spiritually fruitful year of my life.
My current infant, now 4 1/2 months old, almost died at birth. My husband and I baptized him because we didn't think he was going to make it. He needed resuscitation, and was flown to a big city NICU. I believe that he recovered remarkably well (only 4 days in the NICU after a truly frightening birth) because of the intercession of Mary.
I don't think the last two difficult births had anything to do with birth order. I think they happened because they were supposed to be part of my journey and the journey of my children. Again, I believe that positive thinking is helpful, but I see that attitude being taken too far in the natural childbirth movement. Childbirth is not in our hands, it is in the hands of the Lord. A hard or even a tragic birth outcome is never the result of a mom not being positive enough.
Surrender... that is what birth is about; that is what life is about.
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Surrender. That is the perfect word for it. Exactly. Thank you. I needed to hear that word, now I will contemplate it as I head into my third trimester.
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I've been reading this thread with interest but haven't felt like I can reply because my last 3 have been c-sections. This one coming up will have to be a c-section as well. But that word, "surrender", is so perfect for what this whole birthing experience, regardless of how we have the baby, is about. My first was a 14 hour "typical" birth. The nurses told me they should have filmed it for teaching material. It wasn't easy, but everything went as it was supposed to. Then the next 3 were crazy. For my fifth, I finally let go of control. Not like wacko, out of control-ness, but I mean I finally just gave it over to God and had peace. I panic when I have c-sections. I can't stand being tied down or having an oxygen mask. I know that sounds so silly, unless you have that phobia (I guess that's what it is). But I get so fearful. Then there is the time in the "recovery room" when I can't hold my baby. I cry and cry. The nurses think it's ridiculous I'm sure. For my last c-section, because God is so merciful, I had the grace to just let it go. I still had to pray rosaries to get through it all. I used my fingers to count the Hail Mary's. The panic would come, and I would pray harder and it would subside. I knew God was there helping me. I still cried in the recovery room, but I also felt more at peace, knowing that God was watching out for my little one while he waited for me. I think I was in there a shorter period of time too. I wished I had surrendered all to Him with my earlier births.
With this pregnancy I have major hormone fluctuations and I'm really hoping I can have the same peace I had with the last one.
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Erin wrote:
| Once you've been through it a few more times, you don't forget and I, and I know other mums of many are the same, find it harder to get your mind in the right groove. My last labour(no. 9) was probably my easiest physically but I didn't behave well because my mind so didn't co-operate. |
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I agree there Erin, I think for me, my labours get easier physically but my ABILITY to handle decreases (not that anyone is aware of this except me as I labour with silence, it's all happening in my head! )...maybe I'm just getting old and I just don't think I can endure as much as I did when I was younger. I remember that I endured 2 and a half hours of pushing for my first natural birth and I remember thinking with my last baby, 15mins is too long, my heart's going to burst!!
Knowledge (knowledge in the experience of birth) can be a two edged sword, it can help and hinder...I find myself thinking, "Anne, how COULD you forget just how horrible this stage is?!?!? And I'm back doing it again!!!!  But we do, because we love each new and irreplaceable soul God entrusts to us! 
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Re-reading this thread for inspiration. Trying to get my head better prepared this time, 5 weeks to go. Last time I tried the "I'm not going to think about it" wasn't really a successful way to prepare. Thinking about Surrender.
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