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oh umm hmmm I wasn't thinking so much of the reading cycle as just the yearly cycle.. so it does seem to be this
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From reading the description and watching the video, it looks as if the CHC book just follows a one-year pattern of Advent/Christmas, Lent/Easter, and Ordinary Time. If this isn't the case, I'd be very interested to hear how they work in the readings.
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Jenn, your mention of Emerson Hynes made me laugh. I read his old booklet on Catholic home design (posted on EWTN.com) back when I was first married. For a few years, we looked for a house that met all his criteria, only to conclude that such a thing did not exist.
BTW, speaking of those idealistic days, it looks like one of the original Marycrest houses in NY (from the 1950's lay Catholic project in rural cooperative living) is on the market. It does have a certain look of having been built by a bunch of dads on a shoestring budget. I'm sure they did a whole lot of "living the liturgical year" in that cosy house. I can just picture 20 or 30 neighbor children running through the back yard, dressed up as saints.
Home prices in that area have shot up dramatically in the last 50 years... but if anyone has half a million dollars to spend, you too can own a piece of American Catholic history.
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One thing I wish for on a weekly basis is something more grown up than Magnifikid but not as grown up as Magnificat.
Magnifiteen?
My dd (12) is way beyond little-kid activities, but she still struggles to find ways to connect with the liturgical calendar. We've tried cooking (thanks, Jenn, for all your cookbook ideas...) and we like it, but our wacky schedule makes planning ahead for special meals really difficult. There's definitely a market out there for materials and ideas aimed at middle schoolers and high schoolers.
Thanks for starting this thread, Eleanor...there's a lot to learn and share...
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Eleanor wrote:
Jodie, are these activities in sync with the Church's 3-year lectionary cycle of Scripture readings? I think this might be what Lindsay is looking for. (And if not, it's what I'm looking for. )
From reading the description and watching the video, it looks as if the CHC book just follows a one-year pattern of Advent/Christmas, Lent/Easter, and Ordinary Time. If this isn't the case, I'd be very interested to hear how they work in the readings. |
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A Year with God does just follow a one-year pattern. However, I enjoy using it and Seton's Art 1 for Young Catholics.
We begin our mornings with the prayers found in Child's Treasury of Daily Prayers. It includes a prayer for each month and different prayers for each day of the week. In the middle of the prayers, it instructs everyone to sit and listen to the Gospel reading of the day and to a story about the saint of the day. My children take turns leading each prayer and really like this part of the morning. One or two days include the prayer that should be said when you can't make it to a daily Mass. I think that the prayer book was originally written by a teacher who most likely assisted at a Tridentine Rite Mass. It is comb bound.
Instead of the Gospel reading during Lent, we have been doing the reading from Lent for Children a Thought a Day. Thank you, Jenn!
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CrunchyMom wrote:
I really wish that someone would compile a daily missal for children! |
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There's this
Living Faith Kids
Not quite a daily missal but it is based on the daily readings.
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amyable wrote:
JennGM wrote:
It isn't so apparent that the activites are the last part, a way to teach at home (but not the only way). It should start with the Liturgy, point to the Liturgy, foster an interior growth. If books and arts and crafts help relay the message, great, but they aren't the beginning of the discernment and living. Perhaps it is the more invisible part of the process that needs to be brought forward.
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Thank you, thank you Jenn for saying this. I grew up a Sunday Catholic -- "living" the liturgy is foreign to me. This really put into words something I didn't understand. I saw the crafts, didn't DO the crafts for any variety of reasons, and felt I was failing at living the liturgy with my family.
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Ditto here! Whew! I feel so much better. I can DO this. Now to go back to finishing the rest of this post.
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Eleanor wrote:
Jenn, your mention of Emerson Hynes made me laugh. I read his old booklet on Catholic home design (posted on EWTN.com) back when I was first married. For a few years, we looked for a house that met all his criteria, only to conclude that such a thing did not exist. |
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Too funny, Eleanor. Those pamphlets from National Catholic Rural Life Conference were mine, and I had scanned them so many years ago. There were idealistic, but good things to keep in mind. Seven Keys is the booklet we're referring to. Going just by his list, I could say our house fits, but not to all his lovely descriptions.
BTW, they had 10 children, and after he died Arleen became a nun. obituary.
I'll get back to the points on hand later, but I just had to respond.
Cool about that house....
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I'm really enjoying this thread. I've kind of come full circle with living the liturgical year here in our home. For our first year of homeschooling I had just two resources - the Picture Book of Saints and an old Lectionary from our church. I saw it sitting on a shelf one day and asked our priest if I could borrow it since it wasn't being used. He told me I could just have it as it had been replaced by a new one. Anyway, we used these two resources that year by reading the daily Mass readings and, on a feast day, we would read about the saint from the Picture Book of Saints. It was all very simple, but purposeful. Well, then I started really getting into it and I bought all sorts of resources. We did craft projects, coloring pages, activities, cooked special meals etc. It was fun ... but I wore myself out with it and I realized we were sort of missing the forest for the trees. I do think there is a place for the projects and coloring and cooking. As a matter of fact we have a Catholic Mosaic group that meets here almost monthly and we do those sorts of things. But, on a day to day basis I've realized I need to stick to the basics or the basics get lost. When all we had was the old, falling apart Lectionary, we were more connected with the liturgy because we had time to do the readings of the day. When I tried to add in so much other stuff, I found myself cutting down on our morning prayer time in order to fit in a project. I know many families do a better job of integrating all the fun stuff without losing the meat, but we weren't doing that so well. So, this year, besides the Catholic Mosaic group, I've really tried to cut back. As a matter of fact this thread has inspired me to get the Lectionary off the shelf and we are going back to connecting with the Mass.
I asked on another thread about using our Faith and Life texts in a more creative way. I think that is what I need to do instead of adding in so many other projects to make it fun. Simplify, simplify.
Wouldn't it be neat if there was an entire curriculum for Religion that focused on the Mass and all it's elements, bringing in the daily readings and prayers for all 3 years, along with explanations of all the parts of the Mass and the sacraments. Maybe there is one already out there and I've missed it.
Maybe that's what COGS does, but, without the training I don't see how I could do it effectively here at home.
So anyway, it's back to the basics here. But really, there is SO much about our faith that we could study even the basics is plenty!
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Becky, what a great idea! A Catholic Mosaic monthly group!
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guitarnan wrote:
One thing I wish for on a weekly basis is something more grown up than Magnifikid but not as grown up as Magnificat.
Magnifiteen?
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That would be a great idea!
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CrunchyMom wrote:
Becky, what a great idea! A Catholic Mosaic monthly group! |
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Yes, it's a beautiful thing! We're blessed with a large, open basement and the whole gang meets here for a couple of hours once a month. I pick a saint whose feast is celebrated that month, read the recommended book from Catholic Mosaic, have a time for coloring the saint's picture, do a craft and have a snack. It's wonderful and it's a great social event for all the kids. Plus it allows me to incorporate some of that really fun stuff which makes the kids quite happy!
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Becky Parker wrote:
Wouldn't it be neat if there was an entire curriculum for Religion that focused on the Mass and all it's elements, bringing in the daily readings and prayers for all 3 years, along with explanations of all the parts of the Mass and the sacraments. |
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This is what "Celebrating the Lectionary" from LTP is. There are supplements for going through the specific parts of the Mass, but the main program is focused on each Sunday's readings. The younger kids don't necessarily cover all the readings, usually one is emphasized but the older kids read all of them.
We chose this for our parish because of the multi-age format and also some of the supplemental materials are bilingual (including the Mass book).
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Eleanor wrote:
Jenn (or anyone else), are you familiar with the Children's Daily Prayer book that's offered by LTP? It's designed for Catholic schools, and has daily prayers that are said to be based on the lectionary readings. The author (Margaret Brennan) is a CGS catechist. Thing is, I haven't been able to find a sample of the actual contents. |
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I have copies of this at the church and the "Children's Daily Prayer for Summer" on hand here at home. The summer book is organized like this for each day: Introduction, Psalm, Reading, Reflection, Closing Prayer.
The introduction is sort of a "this day in history" feature. Sometimes these are about the saint of the day but about half the time they are not. There are a few troubling inclusions, most prominently Mohammed (June 7). It's the kind of thing you would find in a secular textbook. Overall though when it mentions saints and Catholic laypersons it gets the information right. You could substitute Foley's "Saint of the Day" for when the information given is inappropriate.
There is one psalm for each month.
The reading is one selection from the lectionary readings of the day.
The reflection is a few questions, such as "Does anything try to separate me from the love of Christ? Have I been as close to God this summer as I want to be? Is there some difficulty that I am facing because of my love for God?" (July 17)
The closing prayer is different for each day and ends with usually the Our Father but also sometimes the Hail Mary in August.
There is also a small text box at the bottom which either has a factoid or a suggestion for an activity for the day. Examples include "on this day Beatrix Potter was born...reread some of her stories today" and "In England this is Saint Swithin's Day..." with an explanation of the popular rhyme.
There are suggestions for blessings and prayers for special days, how to prepare for Sundays, a listing of basic Catholic prayers, and general advice on how to cultivate a daily prayer life.
The cost of the book is $8.00.
The school year book is similar although it is larger of course.
ETA: If you are looking for more simple suggestions for the liturgical year, you might enjoy"Take Me Home". It is meant to be photocopied for take-home pages on Sundays, but could also be used at home.
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Hmm. I think we'll pass on the daily prayer book. Sure, we could skip the objectionable parts, but the fact that they'd include these examples (Mohammed???) leads me to wonder about the whole basis of the program. What is their purpose in creating it? If it's just to "say a little something inspiring," then we could probably make up something similar on our own.
"As we break open God's word, remember that we are an Easter people! Let us be Eucharist to one another!" Then we could follow with a reading from page-a-day joke calendar, and top it all with Fr. Phil Bloom's The Usual Homily.
Sorry for the silliness... just having some felt banner flashbacks there.
I'm glad we have the freedom to choose other materials. I feel for people who are teaching religion in parishes, and have no choice but to work with these kinds of programs.
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Eleanor wrote:
Hmm. I think we'll pass on the daily prayer book. Sure, we could skip the objectionable parts, but the fact that they'd include that stuff (Mohammed???) leads me to wonder about the whole basis of the program. What is their purpose in putting it together? If it's just to "say a little something inspiring," then I think we'd be as well off making up something on our own.
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Sorry, just having some felt banner flashbacks there...
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The range of people included goes from the ridiculous to the sublime. Everyone from Ima Hogg, Davy Crockett, John Adams, Vincent van Gogh and Nelson Mandela to St. Benedict, St.Iranaeus, several popes, Bl. Maary McKillop and Bl. Edith Stein. You'd really have to see the list to get an idea...it's page 120 in the book and it might be viewable on the Google Reader preview.
In my opinion, LTP is working hard to transition from the felt banner business into more orthodox and traditional Catholic materials business. They're a good fit for my parish which is similarly placed...moving towards a better understanding of orthodoxy and a renewed interest in tradition. So yes, there are sometimes things in there that make me roll my eyes but overall I can work with what they publish.
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I'm sure you do a great job with it, LeeAnn. It's just a whole other ball game out there at the parish level. You have to work with what you're given (in the sense of both the materials, and the demographics).
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Eleanor wrote:
Hmm. I think we'll pass on the daily prayer book. Sure, we could skip the objectionable parts, but the fact that they'd include that stuff (Mohammed???) leads me to wonder about the whole basis of the program. What is their purpose in putting it together? If it's just to "say a little something inspiring," then we could probably make up something similar on our own.
"As we break open God's word, remember that we are an Easter people! Let us be Eucharist to one another!"
Then we could follow with a reading from page-a-day joke calendar, and top it all with Fr. Phil Bloom's The Usual Homily.
Sorry for the silliness... just having some felt banner flashbacks there...
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and strains of Kumbaya. Shudders.
I find Liturgy Training Publications such a mixed bag, so I proceed with extra caution in buying their materials. Usually what I like from them is actually from other publishers.
I have memories of my first grade catechism, with pictures of people all over, and lots about loving God. I remember feeling a bit insulted (I know, I was six, but I do remember feeling this way). I thought I deserved more, and didn't like to be talked down.
I guess I've kept that as a motivation all these years in my house. Our children are full members of the Mystical Body. Perhaps not everything is comprehensible in terms of vocabulary, but I don't think it needs to spoon-fed or watered down. Give it to them full-strength as a full-member deserves, then explain and elaborate if needed. I find it amazing on the Truths and deepness of levels a child grasps even if he cannot speak them in sophisticated vocabulary. And familiarity is a building block of learning.
For example, children can learn to sing Latin chant or a hymn in parts if they are given the challenge.
While I do read Bible stories of various versions to my son, when we talk about readings of the day's Mass, I do read from the Lectionary, then explain and discuss, and perhaps use illustrations and text from other versions to continue the conversation. But I try to start with the original.
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I don't want to give the wrong impression. Other than the little factoids and half the introductory paragraphs, the rest of the Daily Prayer material is very good--adapted for children of course but nothing objectionable that I can see.
ETA: As for their purpose in including such people the prayer book, I would have to say LTP is writing for the average Catholic school family in a very secular environment. I think it's worth complaining about though and perhaps in the future they'll realize we don't need to pander to multiculturalism in even a prayer book for Catholic children.
We do supplement at the parish with memorization of traditional Catholic prayers and such. Thankfully, the Archdiocese of Seattle publishes their own prayer books for children with requirements for each grade level so the basics get covered as well as the lectionary. We didn't end up using Children's Daily Prayer in the parish because Celebrating the Lectionary has its own opening and closing prayers, which I didn't realize when I first ordered it. We also give each family a liturgical calendar from LTP, which I really like.
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I’ve been brainstorming on how the process translates. I don’t have all the areas filled out, but I thought I would share this outline of how I'm thinking from the remote big picture to the smaller focused picture of the application in the home.
Big eyeroll...but I'll blame Eleanor. She started it!
Maybe we could touch on these areas? Comments? See it a different way?
1) What is Liturgy?
2) What are the types of liturgy within the Church?
(Mass, Sacraments, Liturgy of the Hours, and official Sacramentals. The Liturgical Year and Roman Ritual are included in parts of the Liturgy.)
3) Why is it so important to have public worship (and how public worship/liturgy includes both exterior and interior elements)?
4) What is worship? What does it mean to “celebrate” in Church’s terms in the Liturgy?
5) What is the Mystical Body of Christ? How does Liturgy fit into the Mystical Body?
6) What is the family (domestic church) What is the family’s relation within the Mystical Body?
7) What is the correlation and connection between the Church and her Liturgy and the Domestic Church?
After establishing the important of liturgy, then we need to understand the ebb and flow of the liturgical year, unfolding the mystery of the Redemption, understanding how the liturgy all fits and echoes each other, and then what about at home?
1) What is the liturgical year? Where does it fit with the Church’s Liturgy?
2) Use a religious monastery as an illustration of how to live the liturgy during the liturgical year. Domestic Monastery: rhythms are established, the liturgical year and family life gives it our peaks and valleys.
3) Within the home and religious education, liturgy and liturgical year are ways of uniting with the Mystical Body, and also tools of catechesis.
4) What are the elements within a family's spiritual life, including with the Church as public worship, and then the family praying together, and individual prayer? Mass, family prayer, personal prayer, spiritual reading, Morning/Evening prayers, meal prayers, Angelus, Rosary, Divine Office, etc.
5) Simplicity, not minimalism. Take cues from the Church’s liturgical year. Not every day is “celebrated” the same way; hierarchy of feasts.
6) What are practical ways to incorporate the liturgy in the home, that gives room for possible expansion in reading, cooking, activities, craftiness, but doesn’t overwhelm?
a. Establishing Sundays as the theme for
the week. Additions or tweaks would only be solemnities or feasts or family patron saints?
b. Decide ahead of time the hierarchy and what days to celebrate?
c. Focusing on sacraments throughout the year all the time, taking cues from the liturgy i.e., Sacrament of the Sick focus on November and beginning of Advent.
d. Morning and evening prayers could have elements taken from the Divine Office or Mass readings. Meal prayers could include the Collect of the day.
e. Propers of the Mass incorporated within the family prayer, perhaps sung Introits/Entrance antiphon? Sunday's antiphon repeated throughout the week?
Some other thoughts:
1. Touching on nonliturgical prayers and practices, popular piety not necessarily rooted in liturgy.
2. Some possible helpful resources, in and out of print.
__________________ Jennifer G. Miller
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1) What is Liturgy?
Eleanor wrote:
As Catholics, we're taught that the liturgy (the work of the Church) is the center of the Christian life. The term "liturgy" refers to our official public worship. The Mass is the greatest example of this, but there are also other ceremonies such as Benediction, as well as liturgical prayers that can be said at home (e.g., the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin, and the Liturgy of the Hours). |
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Liturgy is the official public worship of the Church. and beautifully expressed in Sacrosanctum Concilium "Nevertheless the liturgy is the summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; at the same time it is the font from which all her power flows.”
And further down...
“From the liturgy, therefore, and especially from the Eucharist, as from a font, grace is poured forth upon us."
From the 1983 Code of Canon Law:
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Can. 834 ß1 The Church carries out its office of sanctifying in a special way in the sacred liturgy, which is an exercise of the priestly office of Jesus Christ. In the liturgy, by the use of signs perceptible to the senses, our sanctification is symbolized and, in a manner appropriate to each sign, is brought about. Through the liturgy a complete public worship is offered to God by the head and members of the mystical body of Christ.
ß2 This worship takes place when it is offered in the name of the Church, by persons lawfully deputed and through actions approved by ecclesiastical authority.
Can. 835 ß1 The sanctifying office is exercised principally by Bishops, who are the high priests, the principal dispensers of the mysteries of God and the moderators, promoters and guardians of the entire liturgical life in the Churches entrusted to their care.
ß2 This office is also exercised by priests. They, too, share in the priesthood of Christ and, as his ministers under the authority of the Bishop, are consecrated to celebrate divine worship and to sanctify the people.
ß3 Deacons have a share in the celebration of divine worship in accordance with the provisions of law.
ß4 The other members of Christ's faithful have their own part in this sanctifying office, each in his or her own way actively sharing in liturgical celebrations, particularly in the Eucharist. Parents have a special share in this office when they live their married lives in a Christian spirit and provide for the Christian education of their children.
Can. 836 Since Christian worship, in which the common priesthood of Christ's faithful is exercised, must proceed from and rest upon faith, sacred ministers are to strive diligently to arouse and enlighten this faith, especially by the ministry of the word by which faith is born and nourished.
Can. 837 ß1 Liturgical actions are not private but are celebrations of the Church itself as the 'sacrament of unity', that is, the holy people united and ordered under the Bishops. Accordingly, they concern the whole body of the Church, making it known and influencing it. They affect individual members of the Church in ways that vary according to orders, role and actual participation.
ß2 Since liturgical matters by their very nature call for a community celebration, they are, as far as possible, to be celebrated in the presence of Christ's faithful and with their active participation. |
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Father Hardon’s definitions from Question and Answer Catechism:
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1655. What is the liturgy?
The liturgy is the public worship given to God by the whole Mystical Body, that is, by Christ the Head and the faithful who are his members. It is the exercise of Christ’s priestly office now on earth, as a continuation of the priesthood which he instituted during his visible stay in Palestine in the first century.
1658. How are liturgy and worship related?
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I didn't expect to see the beautiful section in the Code of Canon Law referring to parents and their role in the Liturgy (bolded section above). It was a pleasant find last night in my reading.
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