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I wish the Universal Church would celebrate the these days on the same day together. How beautiful would that be - is there a wishful thinking emoticon...
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I am with you, Mary. I find that as we go to different place, the holy days vary.
When we moved, we landed on December 7th and I went searching for a church to attend mass on the Immaculate Conception only to find out it is not a holy day in the UK. Neither is January 1st. Our priest encouraged us to attend mass as a great way to start the new year. In all fairness, they do have other holy days (the Feast of St. Peter and Paul) that we do not celebrate in the States.
And like you, I keep thinking it would be nice if we all celebrated the same holy days. It makes it hard for us to observe the ones we celebrated in the States, but perhaps we should have some of the same holy days that are celebrated over here!
And by the way, according to Joanna Bogle (who I saw on EWTN), the word holiday is derived from holy day, so perhaps your priest is making a reference to that! 
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In the state of Vermont, January 1st is a holy day of obligation. This flip-flop among different dioceses is very confusing for the fact that our children have memorized the holy days of obligation according to the Baltimore Catechism and I would encourage them as adults to keep those days.
The word OBLIGATION has always bothered me. I always tell the children that it is a HOLY DAY and let us please the Lord by giving back to him that special day for he has blessed us and given us so much!
Also, most of the world is celebrating those holy days of obligation! And that is a beautiful thought to take with you to mass especially in those dioceses and parishes where the holy day is not a holy day of obligation!
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I didn't have a lot of time to look around.. it appears to me that it's ENCOURAGED but not required. And you do need to take limitations of the priests into consideration. For instance, here in order to get to the further out missions for a Saturday vigil Mass, Father does not have a Saturday daily Mass. |
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We share a priest with three other parishes, the local nursing homes, and a penitentiary. He couldn't physically handle daily masses in all those locations. As it is, he rotates so that every location has one daily mass per week, and he does three services for Sunday. Every three months our Sunday mass times changes - the last quarter we were only offered Saturday night masses.
It's difficult to share a priest, and even more difficult to live in an area with no choice in Catholic worship.
While I'm complaining, I have to add that we were snowed in for the last six days. Our Christmas masses were cancelled, and no one in the country could get to town for last weekend's masses.
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Here in So. CA it is not considered a Holy Day either...but it was STRONGLY recommended by our holy priests to go anyways, and to dedicate the year to Our Mother and Our Lord. I always think, what a better way to give them my resolutions/goals?
Holy Day or not, we are going!!
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We are in the diocese of Rockford, IL and it is (thankfully) a day of obligation. I want to share with you something beautiful that our pastor does. In addition to a 5:30 pm vigil Mass and a Mass on Jan.1 at 9 am, he also offers midnight Mass, preceded by an hour or two of adoration. Isn't this an awesome and beautiful way to celebrate this Holy day and to enter into the new year?
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I must admit spending the moments between one year and the next in Adoration is wonderful. We usually get a babysitter to come over around 11pm and take off as a couple to Adore.
In 1999 we had we had a four month old baby and went to the Cathedral as the Bishop (currently the Archbishop of Newark) then invited all to come and pray the new millennium in. It was wonderful and she slept like a baby. I even nursed her in the front row! I think even if our diocese didn't make it an obligation we'd still want to go. It's become quite a tradition for us. ( we like to tease that it's a holy day of "opportunity")
sunnyviewmom I'm just a little south of you- Peoria diocese.
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Paula in MN wrote:
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I understand how daily and Saturday masses can't always be offered at every church...but this reminds me of something that happened to me. It was an Ascension Thursday and I'm in one of the few diocese that observes this, but I was out of town and there was not even a daily Mass offered that I could go to! That was hard to understand...
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Here in the UK, we used to have lots of holy days of obligation: not Jan 1st, but Epiphany, Ascension, SS Peter and Paul, Corpus Christi, Assumption, and All Souls. A few years ago, they moved Epiphany, Ascension and Corpus Christi to the Sunday, so they are no longer holy days in their own right.
So now we no longer celebrate those feasts on their 'real' days. I think it's a real shame and wrote to the Cardinal to say so. The argument was that it was more 'convenient' for people to celebrate on the Sunday. I said that if that were the case, why not remove the Sunday obligation as well?!
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doris wrote:
Here in the UK, we used to have lots of holy days of obligation: not Jan 1st, but Epiphany, Ascension, SS Peter and Paul, Corpus Christi, Assumption, and All Souls. A few years ago, they moved Epiphany, Ascension and Corpus Christi to the Sunday, so they are no longer holy days in their own right.
So now we no longer celebrate those feasts on their 'real' days. I think it's a real shame and wrote to the Cardinal to say so. The argument was that it was more 'convenient' for people to celebrate on the Sunday. I said that if that were the case, why not remove the Sunday obligation as well?! |
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Good for you for *doing* something, Elizabeth. Oh how beautiful to celebrate all of those feasts together every year!
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1 January is still a Holy Day. Bishops are allowed to dispense the faithful if they feel it is spiritually beneficial. I remember Msgr. Pedone going over this briefly in Canon Law class, but can't speak with any authority on the subject of dispensations as we covered mainly marriage and baptism (the two sacraments that Brian is likely to participate in).
Don't forget that each bishop has a judicial vicar (a canon lawyer), whose authority can override that of the bishop in matters of canon law. And even if your bishop has dispensed the diocese from obligation, you are still encouraged to attend, and parishes may still be required to offer Mass. Check with your diocese if your parish isn't offering either a vigil or a "day of" Mass to see if there is a parish near you that does offer one.
And if not, remember that each of our homes is a domestic church. Obviously, we are unable to partake in the Eucharist, but we can make a spiritual act of communion, and arrange other prayerful observances in our homes, such as the LOH (matins or vespers). And who knows, there may be great spiritual fruits in the form of a new habit for your family, for the New Year.
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nissag wrote:
1 January is still a Holy Day. Bishops are allowed to dispense the faithful if they feel it is spiritually beneficial. I remember Msgr. Pedone going over this briefly in Canon Law class, but can't speak with any authority on the subject of dispensations as we covered mainly marriage and baptism (the two sacraments that Brian is likely to participate in).
Don't forget that each bishop has a judicial vicar (a canon lawyer), whose authority can override that of the bishop in matters of canon law. And even if your bishop has dispensed the diocese from obligation, you are still encouraged to attend, and parishes may still be required to offer Mass. Check with your diocese if your parish isn't offering either a vigil or a "day of" Mass to see if there is a parish near you that does offer one.
And if not, remember that each of our homes is a domestic church. Obviously, we are unable to partake in the Eucharist, but we can make a spiritual act of communion, and arrange other prayerful observances in our homes, such as the LOH (matins or vespers). And who knows, there may be great spiritual fruits in the form of a new habit for your family, for the New Year.
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Thank you for this, Nissa.
I read the link posted on spiritual benefit. So, what do you all think: is it deemed to be of spiritual benefit to have a dispensation from a requirement because the thinking is you prevent souls from entering into a state of sin (a spiritual negation of some sort) if they don't abide by the requirement?
Nissa, you seem very knowledgeable on this---what are your thoughts?
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Nina, are you asking if we believe that to be true or if that is the intent?
I think that it is the intent of many bishops when they relax "rules." Personally, I'm thankful when my own bishop does not, and obviously, they all have varying opinions about it. I assume they are all seeking to make decisions for the good of the souls of their flock.
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Right Lindsay. Yes, I think I am trying to figure out for my own brain what the REASON is behind it. And it is silly I suppose to ask for an opinion on intent, for we can not know that! We must assume the best, you are right. And I do assent to it. The bishops have the power to bind and loose!
I suppose I wonder if others are also agreeing that this must be the thinking behind it---that the easing up on the faithful is spiritually beneficial------ by preventing the inevitable fall in the first place, because we are so weak....and how to possibly consider/apply this in other areas of how the Church has eased up on many other disciplines.
Of course this is a HUGE topic to open up and too big to discuss right now in this particular thread but it is relevant to the present discussion concerning dispensations from previous days of obligation: That overall many things were changed (and made easier on the faithful) when the Code was changed in 1983 (from the Code of Canon Law 1917). So it is an indication of the need to change with the times. 
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I for one am very glad I am not a bishop and do not have so much responsibility for so many souls. Thank God that our bishops are equipped by Him for their vocations, just as we are equipped for ours.
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