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My MIL married a few months shy of her 16th birthday. You should have seen my oldest daughters eyes when she learned about that...a whole new meaning to the term "big as saucers". 
Of course, she dropped out of high school to marry, so when she was widowed with a five-year-old her job options were really limited until she could get her GED.
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Just popping in to say that I got my copy of Weapons today (it looks amazing) and I already started the Epstein book on the myth of Adolescence (which is totally blowing my mind).
These books are giving me courage I have never had before, to do what I really think would be best for my kids rather than doing what everyone expects me to do.
I am looking forward to talking more when I have some quotes to post!
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OK, so I'm halfway through the book now. I am feeling more than a little bit shocked and appalled. I have read before about the sociology of our education, but I guess I've never seen it put together quite like this.
It makes me want, so much more, to opt out of the system. I called HSLDA the other day to find out what my state's laws insist that I do, so that I know how much freedom I have before inviting trouble from the state.
I am also thinking a lot about pulling out my books by the Moore's, who talk a lot about community service and good honest work as the best learning tools, with book learning being only 1/3 of a child's school day.
I think I may have my oldest read a chapter out of this book as he envisions his future, along with a chapter or two from The War Against Boys, a book I thought was excellent, about the feminist agenda in the school system that is completely biased against how boys learn and intended by design to "put them in their place" just for being boys.
There are too many quotes to even post. This book is amazing, although I will say, its not as much about the mythology of the adolescent as I thought it would be. Back to Epstein for that, I guess, once I finish Gatto.
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Bookswithtea wrote:
I am also thinking a lot about pulling out my books by the Moore's, who talk a lot about community service and good honest work as the best learning tools, with book learning being only 1/3 of a child's school day. |
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Ditto everything you said Books as I've just started it as well. Oddly enough I recently ordered the Moore's book "Minding Your Own Business" and it struck me also how nicely it dovetails with Gatto's book.
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Bookswithtea wrote:
OK, so I'm halfway through the book now. I am feeling more than a little bit shocked and appalled. I have read before about the sociology of our education, but I guess I've never seen it put together quite like this.
It makes me want, so much more, to opt out of the system. I called HSLDA the other day to find out what my state's laws insist that I do, so that I know how much freedom I have before inviting trouble from the state.
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I just finished it last week, and I agree! I decided that the next time someone brought up "socialization" I was going to say, "oh, you mean, assimilation?"
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CrunchyMom wrote:
| I just finished it last week, and I agree! I decided that the next time someone brought up "socialization" I was going to say, "oh, you mean, assimilation?" |
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Martha wrote:
CrunchyMom wrote:
| I just finished it last week, and I agree! I decided that the next time someone brought up "socialization" I was going to say, "oh, you mean, assimilation?" |
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You beat me to it! I was just coming to post the exact same line, Next Gen. geek that I am. 
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BrendaPeter wrote:
| Ditto everything you said Books as I've just started it as well. Oddly enough I recently ordered the Moore's book "Minding Your Own Business" and it struck me also how nicely it dovetails with Gatto's book. |
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I used to read the Moore's and it made me nervous in some ways. It felt scarey to me or something, I dunno. But I'm more and more disenchanted in the last year or so with schooling (as its often framed in homeschooling) in general. Even elaborately beautiful learning creations using living books sometimes seem to feel not quite right to me. I've been musing on the Moore's (didn't sleep much after my Gatto diet yesterday) in light of Charlotte Mason's belief that "all true education is self education" along with Gatto's examples of learning experiences that take place in the big wide world. I feel like I've had all the right elements in front of me, but in all the wrong proportions. Does that make any sense?
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Martha wrote:
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Yes, I was totally envisioning the Borg! School buildings are even so often big, ugly "boxes" like the Borg ship.
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Thought this quote from Susan Wise Bauer in the latest issue of "The Classical Teacher" would go quite nicely here:
"I think many of us, in large part, don't trust our own ability to think through difficult issues, to understand the hard ideas, and to make up our own minds. There are (at least) two reasons for this. The first is that a large proportion of American adults feel undereducated. They didn't graduate from high school with a good grasp of logic, a sense of the flow of history, and a basic understanding of the great ideas. In fact, most of us don't graduate from college with that. We graduate feeling like we got bits and pieces that were never really linked together into a coherent whole.
But there is a deeper reason for our reliance on experts. We are a "classroom" society. Our culture tells us that in order to know something, in order to be an expert, in order to learn something, we have to be taught. Our model is simple: if we want to learn something, we take a class, or go to a seminar, or listen to a lecture.
When I teach college freshmen, the hardest thing I have to do is convince them to talk back to me. They sit nicely and write down what I say, but they're afraid they might say the wrong thing if they talk back to me. They are not accustomed to conversing with any sort of give and take. And why should they be? They've spent most of the previous twelve years sitting and being lectured to. They have become passive learners. Most of us were taught to accept this as a primary method of learning."
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Topic: Gatto's "Weapons of Mass Instruction"
