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Posted: Dec 21 2005 at 11:09am | IP Logged Quote Courtney

Okay, then what is the old order, b/c the new order is what we've been doing. We're on Prince Caspian right now.

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Posted: Dec 21 2005 at 11:15am | IP Logged Quote kingvozzo

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The original order is

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
Prince Caspian
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Horse and His Boy
The Magicians Nephew
The Last Battle

Is Christopher enjoying them too, or just Candace?


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Posted: Dec 21 2005 at 11:45am | IP Logged Quote Courtney

Thanks! Christopher loves them! We saw the movie this weekend and he loved it. I was a little nervous during the battle scenes, but he didn't seem bothered by it. He's very into knights and castles these days, though.

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Posted: Dec 21 2005 at 12:11pm | IP Logged Quote JennGM

Jen L. wrote:
I can't help chiming in again -- I heartily agree. I'm sure that AHA factor was the reason that Magician's Nephew was my favorite when I read them oh so long ago. (I haven't read them for over 20 years and am looking forward to starting them again with my kids.)


Jen,

You're the first person I know that's said that. My siblings have looked at me so oddly when I say my favorite was "Magician's Nephew"...always has been. It was because it made everything fit.

Now the order of the books we bought when I was growing up, "Magician's Nephew" was Number 5...so that doesn't agree with any of these lists.

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We could do an analysis of personality. Which book was your favorite and what does that say about your temperament?

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Posted: Dec 21 2005 at 4:34pm | IP Logged Quote Sarah

JSchaaf wrote:

No Jane Austen or G.K. Chesterton, either. Or Wodehouse. And no Bronte, . . .
I'm so ashamed... Do I even deserve to be homeschooling my children?? (Don't answer that...)
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Jennifer,
Don't feel alone with this. My education was a complete joke (sadly, my parents sacrificed so much to provide it !)I went to expensive Catholic school and I remember an English class I had in High School where we analyzed the lyrics to Pink Floyd's "The Wall." Then in another English class we were to watch " , Lies and Videotapes" until a parent called and shut it down (thank God!). One religion class consisted of learning to compost (the textbook for that class was called "16 Ideas- How to Save the Earth." Another religion class was conducted in the dark while we laid on pillows and listened to a recording of a voice repeatedly chanting "all is my own dream. . ."   

and this was 1988-1991 (not the 60's!) I'm learning everything (except composting!) for the first time. Sometimes I feel like a bumbling idiot, though. This forum is more helpful to people like me than you all know. My poor mother worked full-time and we ate fast food all the time. . .in the car!

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Now the order of the books we bought when I was growing up, "Magician's Nephew" was Number 5...so that doesn't agree with any of these lists.

Are you sure? I have the set somewhere around that I bought when I was 8 (1971 ) and The Magician's Nephew was #6, and was 6th in older hardcover editions that were at the library, as well as subsequent editions I bought over the years...until they were reordered (sorry for the emotion here, folks, but I was personally offended by the reordering...based on a musing sentence in a letter from Lewis...I think there were two things going on: #1 Marketing. The rule of the day in marketing is repackage! #2 Unchristianizing, by removing the most important part of the story--Redemption--to somewhere in the middle of the pack).

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Jenn, If you still have one that was numbered 5, it might be worth something!!

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jenngm67 wrote:
We could do an analysis of personality. Which book was your favorite and what does that say about your temperament?


Voyage of the Dawn Treader. It's not just a sailing thing. It's such a sacremental book (though I must say, it hurts to choose one, as they are all my best friends).

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Posted: Dec 21 2005 at 4:45pm | IP Logged Quote MacBeth

Oh, and if anyone has read them in the new order, please don't worry, or take my anger personally . I did get a bit carried away, and as Noreen pointed out, it is a controversial subject in Lewisology.

Now, what if someone reordered that Space Trilogy?

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Now the order of the books we bought when I was growing up, "Magician's Nephew" was Number 5...so that doesn't agree with any of these lists.

Are you sure?


Nope, not sure. Had to ask my siblings. One brother remembered the same, but now we think I was wrong, it was 6.

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What I wanted to say-anyone want to put together a reading list for me using all the authors above (and ones of your own choosing?) I would appreciate it.
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Hi Jennifer, I'm not able to do the reading list right now. (And it would be very short, if I only include what I've read! ) But I thought I'd let you know that I too had a dismal education in classic literature. As a child, I loved to read. But now I realize that, other than the Little House books, I read mostly the twaddle of the day. I was in the top of my class in high school and attended a very selective liberal arts college. I still could count on one or two hands the number of good classic books I read before the age of 22 or so.

As an adult, I have tried to remedy that situation and have read some of the classics. There are still so many to go, but I find that I have enjoyed the ones I have read much more than I would have believed back when I was a student. Maybe someone else knows of a good basic list online -- like a lifetime reading plan for American and English literature?

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I know there are lots of standard lists of classics for highschoolers - I think I found a lot of classics by perusing various homeschool catelogues for middle school and high school. Jennifer - don't feel alone. I always was an avid reader - read everything I could get my hands on but had no discernment - most of my classics were happenstance because of my grandmothers bookshelves(and not a part of my schooling) until I began homeschooling. I read a ton of twaddle - was assigned obnoxious books in high school and college (something by Norman Mailer about levitating the pentagon by sitting around and saying oohm was standard repetoire in my day).

I really had a gap in my younger age reading - no picture book memories from childhood, or favorite stories like that. I read Blueberries for Sal and such for the first time when I read them to dc.


I didn't get any of the Catholic classics like GK Chesterton or Hilaire Belloc and have just started to delve into them. Hardon has a great book called The Catholic Lifetime Reading Plan. It takes you from the Bible, through the church fathers and doctors to more modern Catholic authors. It's more scholarly but a great guide.

I really like GK Chesterton - Orthodoxy was the first GK Chesterton I read (in dc high school plans). Something about his wit and his use of language really draws me. Plus every book I've read of his (not that there have been tons yet)seem so relevant as if he were writing about the modernist goofiness of today. Belloc is more history - but his out of print Cautionary Tales were a scream for any age. We borrowed from a friend who had an old copy from childhood (and didn't keep it long for fear someone would mess it up - we really are hard on books here and this family's books look brand new after years and years of repeated reading). Belloc's Joan of Arc was the thinnest book and packed with history. He had the art of saying things succinctly - down to a fine art in this one (100 years of history summarized in one sentence so you'd better be familiar with history to read it).

One thing about reading them now or along with older dc - your enthusiasm is really fresh because it is a new discovery for you too and it helps draw them in. So look at your "handicap" as an asset and realize you are looking at things fresh.

Here's another - Oh my. I knew nothing about the saints even though I graduated from a "Catholic" college. (As a history major I remember pondering about why the pilgrims came to America - they were from England and England wasn't a Catholic country and as far as I knew the only countries that persecuted religion were the Catholic ones - but then there wasn't time to ask the question so you went on memorizing and repeating what the teacher (in high school) or the college professor said). We spent a big part of one semester learning how changes in mans environment changed history - reading Plagues and People about how people got new diseases because they left the trees (apes) and started walking on the ground (and a biology professor who gave a lecture in the history class to expound on this) - on through the travels that brought the plagues of the middle ages, etc. etc. In religion it was mostly - be nice but in college we did have Buddhist monks on campus and also the priests had a funeral Mass on the grounds of the campus because we might all die suddenly in a nuclear holocaust. There were also a few Latin American communist terrorists that spoke on campus.

When dc was just getting to school age, before Catholic homeschooling was really big - I was in fear that books would disappear on me, so I ordered books like crazy (poor dh). I remember being in a panic that by the time my dc got to high school, everything worthwhile would be out of print and unavailable so I tried to order/find everything I might possibly need for my dc from birth to adulthood. I went scouring everywhere that was dumping used books and also ordered the whole Encounter the Saints series ($3 per book - hardback)and read them all in one night. It gave me a quick jump start on the saints. My method was haphazard and inefficient - panic usually isn't the best mode. However, when we need a laugh, I always have a "remember when ..." story that sets us rolling on the ground.

So what's my point? Don't even think that lack of reading classics before in any way disqualifies you. One classic I did read almost got in my way when dd read it - she had a much different interpretation of it than I had been spoonfed and I almost told her what to think about the book - but decided I'd better re-read the book and have more specifics when I spoke to her. As I re-read it, funny thing happened - I agreed with her.

Have fun reading - cannot wait to see you post your favorites!

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