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rebeccam
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Hi everyone,
We are considering doing the cc program next year for my 8 and 5 year old but have questions/concerns about any anti-Catholic material that may be used - specifically in history. The Veritas Press timeline cards, I have heard, are blatantly anti-Catholic. I am reading through your posts from last year and it sounds like it isn't a big deal because you can pick and choose what your child reads and there may only be a few anti-Catholic cards. Is this correct? How do you deal with the Protestant doctrines and view of history that can't help coming through?
Thanks so much for any thoughts you can share with me,
Rebecca
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We just finished our second year of CC. My children love the Foundations program, but we will not be returning to it next year. We did not encounter any anti-Catholic information, but we did not allow the girls to read the back of the time line cards. It has always bothered me that we bought these cards, and there is incorrect info in them. I cannot give specifics, because I cannot remember what they were. Lol
Anyway, we are blessed to be able to start a Catholic Schoolhouse group in our area to replace the loss of CC. I really like that we can talk about saints, ask for intercessory prayer, and offer the same when needed.
I do plan to continue with the CC Essentials program. My daughter really enjoys the IEW portion, and has learned a lot this year,
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rebeccam
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Angi,
Is there an option not to buy the timeline cards but participate in the history lesson without them? I think I read another mother also saying that their family only used the pictures on the front but not the info on the back. Would that apply to the entire set or just the few that deal with the Reformation?
Thanks so much for sharing your experience. We really want to do cc.
Rebecca
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Rebecca,
We are on our 4th year with CC. Regarding the Timelines, I also wish they wouldn't use it but I think it is the only resource they have found that does what they want to accomplish. Only the front of the timeline is used. You learned only the event. When the kids are younger the picture in the front acts as a visual aid. The goal though is for student to be able to recite the timeline without visual aid. My son is 9 and we hardly use the timeline cards at all. I made a list of the titles and quiz him from that. I have a friend who has been in CC for two years now and have never bought the timeline cards (they are pricey). I don't remember what she does instead. I'll ask her and let you know. I guess you could make a list every week of the titles of the card and work from that. They can't be listed by title on the Foundations guide you get because of copyright issues.
Also, what you do or don't do is up to you. So I guess you could (at least in theory) choose to do cc and not learn the timeline. Two things might happen though: a) your kids might feel bad because they are not learning what the others are learning, b) if you decide to go for Memory Masters later on, to get the award, they will need to know every single fact covered-including the timeline.
If you like to know more of our CC experience let me know. I'll be happy to share.
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Thanks Natalia, and have you encountered any other anti-Catholic curriculum in cc? Someone said they use the Protestant Bible, but I am under the impression that since they don't teach religion nor do they memorize Bible verses(except John 1) that wouldn't be a big issue. Is that correct?
We live on a small island and welcome the fellowship of other Christians and yet we are concerned about the influence of Protestant material.
Thanks so much!
Rebecca
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No, I have not encountered any other Anti- Catholic material at the Foundations level. They usually memorize a Scripture verse during the assembly at the beginning of the day. I think it is a King James version but, wether you choose to memorize the verse is up to you (at least in our campus).
I have had more positive experiences than negative ones in our involvement in CC. And the few negative ones have nothing to do with CC itself. On the contrary, I see it as we doing our part in building up ecumenism. We have used our presentation time to speak about Catholic things like the liturgical year, the Jesse Tree, Maximilian Kolbe, the Rosary. We just present it as something important to our family and have never gotten any bad comments.
BTW, I got the printout of the Veritas Press cards if you would like me to forward it to you, pm me your email address.
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Just in case anyone is interested, there is a Catholic alternative to Classical Conversations now called Catholic Schoolhouse. It's way more affordable than cc, too.
I blogged about it here. Just FYI! 
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There is a new Classical Conversations group forming in my town next fall. It has generated a lot of interest here, even in our Catholic circle of homeschoolers.
We've also explored Catholic Schoolhouse, but there have been concerns about the organization, academic quality, and newness of the program. There are some limited samples to view on the website, but unlike CC where you can observe a class, have a catalog to see where they draw their curriculum from (IEW, Veritas Press,etc.) Catholic Schoolhouse doesn't do this.
So, we are all kind of wondering, what do you actually get for what you pay for? For example, the history cards are $40 but is there any other info besides a name and a date, like the Veritas Timeline cards? It's hard to tell from the website. Also, there doesn't seem much for older kids with Catholic Schoolhouse, that is a problem for our group too. A lot of people in our group really want something for high schoolers and the Essentials type program for middle grades, and I don't really see it on the website. It's hard to get an idea and feel for the program because it's so new.
Also, CC offers a formal tutoring training program for tutors. Does Catholic Schoolhouse do this? It's not very clear how .
If anyone else has more info the share or experience with that program, please do!
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I have seen both CC and CS materials first hand, so I can answer some of these. FTR - we have done CC for 2 years, had planned on starting CS next year, hubby has a new job, so we are moving away, continuing with CC next year due to the fact that I cannot strt a CS program where I know no one. The group I was helping to start will still have CS next year, unless something changes this summer.
The timeline cards have a pic on the front, title on the back, nothing more. If you look at the sample tour guide online, the history section of each week is the timeline, there is no separate history. The tour guide does not show the art or science projects. That is sent directly to the director. Otherwise, the tour guide covers everything that is CS. My main difficulty with CS is the lack of history sentences.
There is nothing for older children, nothing like Essentials either.
There is no tutor training in CS. As a former CC tutor, I had planned to Tutor our tutors. Well, actually, even though I am moving, I am still going to tutor them.
I know this is choppy and possibly hard to follow. Sorry about that. Hopefully this answered your questions. I still love the idea of CS, but am doing CC next year for other reasons.
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Thanks, Angi, that is helpful to know.
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Lacy wrote:
Just in case anyone is interested, there is a Catholic alternative to Classical Conversations now called Catholic Schoolhouse. It's way more affordable than cc, too.
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I wish there was one in my area!
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I wanted to update this a little. I just signed up for Classical Conversations (no CS here)and they have new timeline cards! My husband and I got to look them over at one of the informational meetings, and they did not seem anti-Catholic to us. We did not look at all of them, but we picked out the Crusades, the Reformation, and the Council of Trent. The Reformation was slightly bias, but there seemed to be an attempt at neutrality. I know people have different standards of what they find acceptable, but my husband has his PhD in Medieval history and found the ones he read to be fine. Just thought you might want to know!
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