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Has anyone seen or used the Come and See series? I am looking for a Bible study that has some fun ideas and good Bible history.
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I have "the Beginning"
It has a short one page story, a coloring page and a craft idea to go with each story. I like using it for some craft ideas and the coloring page, but like the New Catholic Children's Bible much better. My son is almost 5 and can use more detail in the stories than Come and See provides.
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Oh, thank you, that is helpful to know. Drat. I was hoping to use it with my middle children and they have enough Bible reading to be ready for some detail and depth.
My DH keeps saying we need to write our own Bible curriculum for Catholic children. That is just not within the scope of my abilities. 
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In my Protestant days, I used Bible Study Guide for All Ages (biblestudyguide.com) It is a detailed Bible study program that is a lot of fun for the children, several ages can do it together, and it includes a timeline, map work, and songs. The newer version has activity pages, too. It's pretty factual, so I think it would work for us as Catholics today as well (but I haven't closely checked yet). I was planning on using it next year. The biggest drawback is that it doesn't include all the books of the Bible and that there is no reference to the Catechism or to Catholic truths such as the Real Presence. I think you can add this, though, since a lot of the work is done orally with mom or dad. I have often thought it would be great to design something like this for Catholics, using great classical art prints, Gregorian-style chants, and references to the CCC and lives of the saints. It's great because all ages can use it together and learn something.
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I'm very interested in this too, Bridget. Please keep us updated if you decide to use the Bible Study guide for all ages or something else? I have protestant friends who have used the one stellamaris mentioned and have often wondered about it. I'd like to find something that we can do together as a family...
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stellamaris wrote:
In my Protestant days, I used Bible Study Guide for All Ages (biblestudyguide.com) It is a detailed Bible study program that is a lot of fun for the children, several ages can do it together, and it includes a timeline, map work, and songs. The newer version has activity pages, too. It's pretty factual, so I think it would work for us as Catholics today as well (but I haven't closely checked yet). I was planning on using it next year. The biggest drawback is that it doesn't include all the books of the Bible and that there is no reference to the Catechism or to Catholic truths such as the Real Presence. I think you can add this, though, since a lot of the work is done orally with mom or dad. I have often thought it would be great to design something like this for Catholics, using great classical art prints, Gregorian-style chants, and references to the CCC and lives of the saints. It's great because all ages can use it together and learn something. |
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After looking at the web site you linked, I am seriously considering giving this a try. You don't think there is going to be any problems with doctrine that cannot be navigated easily? I guess we could skip the worksheet on John 6 if necessary and talk about it orally? I would *love* to see something like this in the Catholic world. It seems like most programs for Catholics focus on the daily readings. I understand the wisdom of that, but I think there is much to be gained by covering whole books at a time, too.
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Bookswithtea wrote:
| I would *love* to see something like this in the Catholic world. It seems like most programs for Catholics focus on the daily readings. I understand the wisdom of that, but I think there is much to be gained by covering whole books at a time, too. |
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That's my frustration as well. And many Protestant studies look so fun and in depth!
But they would ignore the Eucharistic typology and the other Catholic teachings in the OT that prefigure the NT. The history is interesting and exciting, but to me, the best part of learning the OT well is how God uses it to prepare for the NT and Christ's Church.
Maybe I need a Catholic adult Bible study that I adapt and add in fun projects and crafts... Or an adult Catholic study to go along with a Protestant children's study. 
I would really like to make Bible study the spine of our curriculum next year. But I am thinking I should discuss this with my scripture loving priest and get his advice on it.
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Bridget wrote:
That's my frustration as well. And many Protestant studies look so fun and in depth!
But they would ignore the Eucharistic typology and the other Catholic teachings in the OT that prefigure the NT. The history is interesting and exciting, but to me, the best part of learning the OT well is how God uses it to prepare for the NT and Christ's Church.
Maybe I need a Catholic adult Bible study that I adapt and add in fun projects and crafts... Or an adult Catholic study to go along with a Protestant children's study.
I would really like to make Bible study the spine of our curriculum next year. But I am thinking I should discuss this with my scripture loving priest and get his advice on it. |
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Its so funny you should mention this, because I have been rolling the same idea around in my head...making Bible the focus of our studies for a year! I hadn't thought about having an adult study guide available as well. That is a really good idea. We could read up the Catholic section ourselves and incorporate the typology. Seems like that wouldn't be too hard to do? Plus, it would be excellent spiritual reading for mom as well, huh?
Bridget, what do you think of the link stellamaris posted as a spine for the study? Did you see there are timelines and maps available, too? The thing that keeps drawing me is that everyone can do it together. Maybe we can post ideas here as we find resources? I really want to do this. I finished the Duggar's book over the weekend and was really impressed with how they handle bible and virtue study in their home. I'm not a fan of the Wisdom Booklets they use for virtue study, but I was thinking of maybe doing the Bible Study along with Paces and scripture memory on opposing days (M/W and T/TH). Seems like it would make a very rich study. I's like to do Catholic Mosaic and a very *lite* FIAR to round everything out, but I need to make sure I'm not taking on more than I can do reasonably in a year, kwim?
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Oh I do hope someone puts something like this together so I don't add it my own list of "to be developed" which is already a mile or more long!
We have the Kids Timeline from Ascension Press (I posted a review about it), which we love, but it's not what I thought it would be... I wish someone would take THAT one, and add some stories, discussions, activities and Catholic doctrine for each event and person they have - that would flesh it out more and be more like their teen and adult versions (which are excellent, but not for young or middle children!).
Maybe I'll just have to bump this one to the top of my list, but I'm hoping someone beats me to it!
ETA: I have perused the Come and See Kids and did some of the pages with my son (then 3). It was really light. He enjoyed it, but we really needed something meatier. The above mentioned timeline is a few steps up and I think I will use it as a starting point (and it IS great for getting the narrative in!). I have not yet seen the adult version to see if it might be appropriate for at least upper elementary and middle school.
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My brain is moving about a mile a minute on this idea. My 7th grader (next year) probably needs more than an in depth bible study, as I am trying to prep her for high school level work. But for the other two, I was thinking maybe they could read from science and history books for their personal reading time, and if I did that, maybe I could drop the FIAR/unit study stuff for a year and give more time to the virtues/bible study. Seems like it could be really beautiful, with geography maps (I was looking in Emmanuel Books today at their Then and Now: Bible Maps resource), a timeline, copywork from scripture, etc.
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When I looked this over, it has changed some since I used it. I would just get the Teacher's Guide. We used to read the Bible section right after breakfast, put any timeline/map labels up, and ask the review questions orally. This way it was easy to cover all the basic Bible stories, and also add Catholic content in your explanations. We also used the little "games" they have (which I hope they still have in the Teacher's Guide) to learn the Ten Commandments (you would modify), the names of the Twelve Apostles, and other lists. If anyone is hoping to make a Catholic version, I've always thought it would be great to coordinate it with the readings of the Mass, but I'm not sure that would work. I think the children would get a lot more out of the Mass readings and homilies if they were already somewhat familiar with the material. Books, I love your idea about including the virtues, too! For your older child, have you looked at "Understanding the Bible" by Scott Hahn? (If I knew how to link it, I would for you!)It's a full high school level overview of the Bible and has beautiful colored pictures,references to CCC, questions for study and thought, and tests. It is pricey, though.
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I've posted a survey about what we might be looking for here: Bible Study Survey
I just have this image in my mind of something in a similar format to Trail Guide for Geography, using minimal "outside" sources, except for supplementation - a family's own Bible... multi-age...
Something that combines the Teen Timeline (which I previewed this afternoon and really enjoyed the bit I read (haven't seen the DVDs yet)) and the Kids Timeline - for something in between that families can use at home - for a GOOD price!
In doing my own research this afternoon I came across a website I think I've seen before. It's written by a "gentleman" who was Catholic for 40 years then came to know the truth (lower-case T) - and was "re-born" - it just really shows that we need to get the Bible in the hands of ourselves AND our children, but in its proper place (ie we are NOT sola Scriptura, etc. etc.) Even this past weekend, a very devoutly Catholic catechist at our parish was (pleasantly) surprised to learn the order of events in the Bible's writing - particularly the New Testament (ie that it was passed on orally first, then only written down as the Apostles aged and began to pass away - that Tradition actually came first (capital T on that one))....
It is SO needed and looking over the Protestant ones I've seen, I'm just not satisfied with simply Catholicizing them. I just wish Ascension Press's format for the Kids Timeline was meatier - I know what I want, so share your thoughts and I'll see about pulling something together.... I'll post it on my blog as I develop it, get feedback, etc.
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There is an excellent book that is often overlooked. It's sold by Tan and the author is Fr. Knecht. That name may be familiar to you because he wrote a child's Bible history and there is a simple, child's Bible storyline in the book I'm recommending, but the commentary is at the middle school-adult level. I read aloud the children's story from the commentary to the younger children and the older children read it from their Bible. I have correlated it very easily with Memoria Press Christian Studies too. I read the notes and commentary from the Knecht book before discussing the children's Bible readings and have learned so much. Typography, pre-figuring, etc. it's all there and there is a free version on google books. The title is A Practical Commentary on Holy Scripture. Here's a link so that you can read online or download. It's very long and loads slowly.
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I'm glad somebody's is. Mine is moving slowly, postpartum.
This is an exciting discussion. I haven't had computer time to research any materials today, but some good ideas are being posted here!
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That sounds great! I agree about the wisdom booklets. I'd love to have a set of books to illustrate virtues but my kids would be quick to point out that animals don't have free will and therefore are not really demonstrating virtue. Better to use examples in biographies and literature to show the virtues.
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Kids are so funny. I'm hoping Paces is a good program. I've never seen it before but it seems like the best option I can find at the moment.
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There is an excellent book that is often overlooked. It's sold by Tan and the author is Fr. Knecht. That name may be familiar to you because he wrote a child's Bible history and there is a simple, child's Bible storyline in the book I'm recommending, but the commentary is at the middle school-adult level. I read aloud the children's story from the commentary to the younger children and the older children read it from their Bible. I have correlated it very easily with Memoria Press Christian Studies too. I read the notes and commentary from the Knecht book before discussing the children's Bible readings and have learned so much. Typography, pre-figuring, etc. it's all there and there is a free version on google books. The title is A Practical Commentary on Holy Scripture. Here's a link so that you can read online or download. It's very long and loads slowly.
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I could see this working for mom to read to herself as a guide for the study.
I forgot about Memoria Press' Christian studies. That is technically not a Catholic work, either, although I understand the couple who created it are a mixed Catholic/Protestant couple. Do y'all think it might be more appropriate than Come and See or the Bible Study Guide for all Ages?
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That is what I'm leaning towards right now. My children do well with classical materials and I like Memoria press. I will use an adult study that is easy to reference so we don't miss important points to the Catholic faith.
I am excited to find other moms looking for this as well! Everyone has such good ideas!
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That is what I'm leaning towards right now. My children do well with classical materials and I like Memoria press. I will use an adult study that is easy to reference so we don't miss important points to the Catholic faith.
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OK then, I am off to MP's site to check it out. I remember trying to use their materials once but it didn't work out so well. Not sure why. Maybe because I didn't set aside enough time to really do it well? Bridget, what kind of adult study are you thinking about using? My first thought was the study guides (one per bible book) that Scott Hahn created, but that could get expensive. I wonder if there is one book that could cover everything? I do have Peter Kreeft's You Can Understand the Bible, which goes through each book. Ds used it for 9th grade religion. I'll flip through it later today and see if there is enough typology to make it useful for a mom go along...
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http://www.biblestudyguide.com/enter.htm
Bridget, have you looked at this at all? There are a lot of samples online. I looked over MP's stuff. While I do think its a great way to study, I think the other one has a little bit more of a unit study feel, but mostly I like that it has special activities and pages for the younger set as well. I also like that both OT and NT are covered every year. What I like best about MP is that it only takes 3 yrs to cover everything instead of 4.
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