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Martha
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Posted: Jan 11 2010 at 6:37pm \| IP Logged

MarilynW wrote:

Oh no! I had planned on using Setons Voyages and the Excercises in English for my Grade 7 dd next year? We only do grammar in alternate years - and this seemed the best option.

Seton has a spiffy new text for 7th grade english.
http://www.setonbooks.com/viewone.php?ToView=P-EN07-13

I always used something else for the years I couldn't get Seton Press materials for english, bc I can't stand VIE.

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Posted: Jan 11 2010 at 8:30pm \| IP Logged

Martha, thanks for the post. I was going to mention the Seton 7 course, too. It is based on things covered in VIE but organized in such a user friendly, logical way as to make it easy to use, to provide good review and building on knowledge, and to be very self-teaching. Every once in a while we get stumped and Seton is only a phone call away. Their grammar counselors have always been able to explain very precisely the whys and wherefores of every single thing we've asked about - and generally I ask a lot of those difficult to answer questions (I know the AK has the right answer because, well, I know it instinctively - but how do I explain it to my son who wants rules and doesn't understand why you do it this way here and this other way over there and isn't this ....). This course really is good - and nothing says you have to do it all in one year. If you are more of a learn deeply, too much repetition drives you nuts type, we take a different twist on this course. We sign up for it whenever the children have the basics mostly under their belt (noun, verb, adjective, adverb, preposition, and phrases and whether they are adjectival or adverbial and some idea of punctuation and case - even if it is pretty loose in terms of punctuation and case - ie they have heard of and have some idea of direct and indirect object, object of a preposition, and certainly know the subject of a sentence and a predicate nominative - though some will tend to still confuse the predicate nominative and miss the linking verb when we start the course).

Seton knows from the start that I plan to take extra time with the course and have always been accomodating. I even asked them, "If I only plan to give my children one grammar course, which one would it be?" (This is also the one Seton recommended as the one that was best to do if you were only doing one course.) Now I might do another course when we are done for those needing lots of grammar support - but for my younger one who wants to take Latin, I think we'll get the rest of our grammar from Latin.

Anyways, once we sign up for the course, we go very slowly through this trying to apply it as we learn it - and having access to the marvelous staff at Seton really saves time, frustration and stress on me. I am happy to pay $25 and extend the course and we generally take 2 years to do it unless someone is just a whiz at grammar. I have no problem giving credit for English in 6th and 7th grade using this one course. I have used it with a 6th grader and a 9th grader and it is superb.

I, too, despise VIE and have these all in a box ready to post for sale to anyone who would like them

. I'm offering them locally first. This course is somehow so different from VIE even though it does seem like Seton used VIE to help design the course. (Guess they weeded the good stuff out and knew how to present it or something - I'm just glad I have an easy way to do grammar in my house through this course).

Marilyn W - hope the posts on VIE didn't scare you away from Seton. Though Seton's program is based on VIE, somehow, they seem to be totally different beasts and the Seton program is also updated with current conventions and the diagramming has changed even since 10 years ago. It really is a good program.

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Posted: Jan 11 2010 at 9:30pm \| IP Logged

I third the recommendation for the Seton 7 English workbook. My eldest daughter is really liking it.

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