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Carole N. wrote:
| Kathryn, do you have a seder meal on Holy Thursday? I remember there being some discussion about it last year. I think that I came away a bit disconcerted as I would not want to take a Jewish tradition and try to make it into something is should not be. |
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No, my dh is Jewish so we follow Jewish practice and have seder meals on the first two nights of Passover, which lasts for 8 days. Usually we have one at home and go to my SIL's house for the other. If a seder night falls on Holy Thursday it messes up the Triduum for me  . Either I end up having to miss the Holy Thursday Mass or have to prepare and rush through a seder before going to Church. An occupational hazard of having two religions in one family 
I remember that discussion, and it was probably my contribution that made you feel disconcerted  . We keep the two celebrations (Easter and Passover) very much separate.
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Back in 1967 Easter was on March 26th. I remember this, because my b'day is the 24th and we were supposed to go to Indiana to see my oldest sis and bil for Easter but ended up staying home due to snow.
That would have put Ash Wednesday on... Feb. 8th. I think?
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MaryM wrote:
Carole N. wrote:
Our church still has the nativity up at the altar. The priest said this was the old custom to keep it up until February 2nd, the official end of the Christmas season.
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Is it true that this is more ingrained into the European tradition even though the calendars have changed? |
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I'm thinking that leaving up the Christmas decorations and crib is popular piety, as the liturgy doesn't reflect Christmas all the way until Candlemas.
This site (use caution) shows the breakdown of the seasons with the traditional calendar. In the old calendar the year was broken down in two sections, the Christmas and Easter Cycle. But when I refer to season, I'm talking about liturgy, which is reflected in the vestment colors and the name of the season. Christmastide or Christmas season in the Traditional Calendar lasted 21 days until January 13, and the priest wears white vestments throughout, just like the forty days of Easter, all white vestments.
Time after Epiphany is green vestments and is considered the same as ordinary time, or ferial days.
"The Time after Epiphany includes from one to five Sundays; it recalls to use the hidden life of Christ at Nazareth, and manifests to us His divinity."
I'm probably the only one that finds this interesting, but all my life I've heard "why has the Church changed the calendar from 40 days of Christmas" and in reality it hasn't! Anyway, I'll try and blog my thoughts and quotes since it's just my little thrill.
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| As far as Easter and Lent, it is early, but Jenn, I have an Easter birthday this year! I remember when I had my 5th birthday, my mother made it an Easter birthday ... but I believe it was the day before or after Easter. It does not happen early very often, but it does happen occassionally. |
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An Easter birthday this year! Enjoy! A few years ago my birthday was on Easter for the first time in my life - though it had hit around it many times - that was really fun. Carole, your 5th birthday would have had to have been before Easter unless you were 5 in 1818 . You can check this site for a listing of all the dates for Easter between 1875 and 1823 to see when your birthday fell that year. I really like the charts on this site because they show the frequency of Easter being on specific dates. And this site has Easter dates for the past 300 years and the upcoming 300 years. |
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Such great stuff! We were having the same conversations at home. This year my birthday is on Palm Sunday. Never in my life or any century will it be in Easter, or out of Lent. But wow, Carole, that's exciting to have it in Easter. Start planning now -- 40 of course was big, but an March-Easter birthday is equally unique and exciting!
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The calender I have from Catholic Church Extension Services (the one the Parish hands out) shows the vestments White until after the Baptism of the Lord.. a week past Epiphany.
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JodieLyn wrote:
| The calender I have from Catholic Church Extension Services (the one the Parish hands out) shows the vestments White until after the Baptism of the Lord.. a week past Epiphany. |
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Yes, that is correct. Both calendars include the Baptism of Our Lord in Chrsitmas season. New calendar will move the date if Epiphany is late, otherwise it is the Sunday after Epiphany. In the old calendar it was set at January 13, then Time After Epiphany begins.
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