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All my girls veil. The baby wears a little bonnet. My 4yr old and 9yr old wear a little kerchief tie on veil from Modesty Veils
My 11yr old wears one from there too but a regular kind with no ties. We go to the Novus Ordo mostly but we do go to the TLM once a month. We are usually the only ones who veil at our parish (except a couple of times I have seen another woman or 2 at different Masses) and most of the women and girls veil at the TLM. My girls know why we do it (well the big girls do) and when we started veiling a few years ago they were excited, now its just what we do. It did take awhile to get over the feeling of everyone looking at you, but its no big deal anymore. Especially now that we go to the TLM once a month and there are so many girls who veil, they like that I think.
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Oh I forgot to say that I veil too 
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I've pretty much decided to start veiling but haven't gotten around to ordering a veil...I'm a big procrastinator!
Are there any "rules" to veiling....like no white after Labor Day. Or is it just what one prefers. Glad some of you have offered links!
If you were just going to order one veil and it was now (Oct.) what would you order? Sorry if I'm hijacking this...just seemed like a good place to ask.
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MarieC wrote:
If you were just going to order one veil and it was now (Oct.) what would you order? Sorry if I'm hijacking this...just seemed like a good place to ask. |
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If I could order just one I would get this one from Halo-works, in the chocolate brown that they only have a very limited supply of but I want a LOT but can't justify buying right now at all. 
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OH Marie! I've been waiting for this! :) 
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Oh, and I've I could buy (another) one, it would be this one. The small one because of my short hair. You'd look lovely in the large one though. I'd order in black. I don't belive (know of) any 'rules' regarding color etc... I just go with black.
Red Cardigan, could you please elaborate on hats being more 'traditional'? This is opposite of my understanding. Thanks!
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I read somewhere that women who were married or widows traditionally wore black and unmarried women or girls wore white. But I have seen all kinds of colors as well as some really beautiful scarves used.
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Jess wrote:
| I read somewhere that women who were married or widows traditionally wore black and unmarried women or girls wore white. But I have seen all kinds of colors as well as some really beautiful scarves used. |
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Growing up in Catholic School and being required to wear a chapel veil to Mass (if you forgot you had to "rent" one from the school office for a quarter!) they had both black & white (and ivory) for us to use...any color was fine...these were VERY traditional old Nuns.....
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Well, since we're linking....... 
A couple years ago, I was going to get the "Satin Summer Dream-Style #30 from this one from headcoverings.com - Scroll down. But then I decided to make my own with different colors - the ones in the post were for summer. I am getting ready to make these same ones (semi-circle and triangle) in more winter colors - darker green and eggplant for winter.
I got the chapel caps from Halo Works for the girls (4,5,6), but dd-6 prefers the triangle one I made.
They don't wear them all the time, only occasionally. We attend Norv Ordo.
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Lisbet wrote:
Red Cardigan, could you please elaborate on hats being more 'traditional'? This is opposite of my understanding. Thanks! |
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I thought after I wrote that that I should have been more specific!
Basically, in the medieval period a woman's hat consisted of two different parts: the veil itself, and the piece that held the veil, which could be anything from a simple circlet to an elaborate structure surmounting the veil. Time period as well as social status and income level dictated what was worn.
At some point there was a divergence between the two "parts" of the hat. Spanish women, in particular, retained the veil in their mantillas, which could be elaborate or quite simple (again depending mostly on social status) and women in other places adopted what had formerly been the "veil-holder," now sans veil, to cover their heads. Hence the gradual evolution of a woman's head covering from a sort of "hat and veil combo" not unlike a nun's veil to two separate pieces which were not usually worn together (except for a handful of styles which mostly veiled part of the face instead of the hair).
For some cultures, of course, the wearing of the veil/mantilla is very traditional. Some of the countries in Europe still wore veils/scarves, but others moved away from the veil and toward hats; by the 1700s many women were wearing bonnet-style hats, and the bonnet style in some form or another (including the still-available turban) persisted past 1850, at which point other styles of hat began to emerge and gradually overtook the bonnet.
For women in America prior to the modern period, hats generally outnumbered mantillas or scarves except for those parts of the country in which the influence of Spanish settlers was strongly felt. A woman wore her best bonnet to church and had others for daily wear; it wasn't customary for a married woman to appear in public without a hat of some kind. By the 1850s, though, the bonnet was increasingly seen as old-fashioned and proper only to older women, so young women began wearing the newer hats, a practice which continued until the middle of the last century.
Women like my grandmother made it a habit to keep a chapel veil tucked into a purse because the custom of wearing hats in public had begun to fade; it was quite possible that she might be out shopping or running errands while not wearing a hat, and decide to stop at a church for a noon Mass, confession, or merely to pay a visit, at which point the chapel veil would be necessary. However, as you can observe from this photo, which shows people at Mass before Vatican II, far more hats than veils can be seen; in fact, in some parts of the country donning a veil for Sunday Mass was seen as a rather casual thing to do.
Since the custom of wearing hats for all but the most formal events has died out, many people have insisted that the "truly" traditional thing to do is to wear a veil or some similar scarf. What is traditional, however, depends on one's culture; these Iraqi Chaldean Catholic women are shown wearing a veil at Mass, but it's quite different (and much simpler) than the veils often seen today, which trace their origins to the Spanish Mantilla, like this one in Mary Cassatt's painting of a Spanish dancer.
Ultimately, the question of what is traditional for most women is going to depend on aspects of each woman's culture, not on any specific rules the Church laid down. Even the old (1917) Code of Canon Law said nothing about veils; the words were "...women shall have a covered head..." but nothing whatsoever was written about what she should use to accomplish this. (It's interesting that despite the arguments that the headcovering had to cover all of a women's hair, which I still hear from time to time, the 1917 Code uses two words: covered head. There's no requirement to cover all of the hair, at least not in the Code.)
As usual, I've gone on far too long. But it's funny to reflect that the absolute most traditional form of headcovering for an American women, based on number of years it remained in use, would be the bonnet! 
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OH, okay, I 'skimmed' that, but I will come back and read it more closely later. (it's only 6 am here, and I have not had my coffee yet!) I guess for me, personally, I don't consider 'traditional' from an American pov, but from a more universal pov. I know you are one that don't like this persepective, (from our skirt thread from before.) but I tend to reflect on what Our Lady would have wore, and make a personal decision from there. I certainly don't think anything wrong with hats, but I do know at my parish, a hat would draw more attention. I find veils to be simpler and less conspicuous.
(I have been known to wear more of a scarf type covering, much like the Chaldean women you linked! For me it's nothing to do with culture!)
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Fun information, Red C!
......which leads me to think my motto for this year: It is all about perspective
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