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montessorisbev wrote:
So mine is not so much a reply as a question. I have 2 children 5.5 and 3 years old (approx. My plan was to do Montessori math almost exclusively, with them. When I say almost, I was thinking of using some workbooks or just make my own worksheets up at some point.
However, I was under the impression, I could do it using Hainstocks books and the math albums onlinepretty much. Do the Montessori RD manuals have extra presentations? Would they be the same as the Math album build class that Karen is offering? I am really confused now. I am still in the process of creating an outline of study for this coming year, but it seems like the more I think of it - the more there is to think  do the RD manuals give a better outline to follow. Do I need to supplement the manuals with other teaching materials?
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The albums Karen is providing right now through her class are for ages 3-6 (primary), and they seem quite detailed. When I first started trying to do Montessori math, I just found that I personally needed a little extra coaching than the MTC Elementary math manual provided (or I needed more visuals anyway.) That's why I went with NAMC at the time. I decided to order the R&D manuals this year because I have an 8 yo who's (finally) moving into more of the elementary material. The R&D manuals seemed like a good choice for elementary, because they're more detailed than the elementary material available for free.
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(random thoughts)
I'm not officially doing Kindergarten math, but I wanted to pipe in and say that this thread has gotten me thinking about what we will do when we get there; which then led to a question about the definition of math (and other subjects for that matter). (I'm doing VBS this week - arts and crafts - a lot of mindless cutting of what I've decided is useless junk (that's my sore hand talking!) - I would SO redesign VBS a&c to include REAL works of art which the children are then asked to imitate in some fashion... off topic).
Celeste's post is really what got me thinking - her quote from the RD manual about experience, comprehension, then the rules. While I am 'ok' with the idea using workbooks and other similar style items for car rides and such (ie busy work - and only for the fun of it - never a requirement for younger elementary), I have also come the conclusion that we will not be using any of the current or past math publications, instead sticking with straight Montessori, developing charts and such as they go. I would also think that various math living books would be very good, along with stories about the people who discovered various mathematical rules (ie Living Math. And the idea of math journals just sounds great - documenting progress (writing out activities done, discoveries, inserting completed charts, summaries/narrations of books/biographies, perhaps a timeline?).
A couple of blank notebooks or a binder with paper and sheet protectors, writing utensils, the Montessori materials and lots of library books... it just sounds so much more fun and a lot less money than purchasing textbooks anyway!
I've written out several typed pages about the various subjects, what they are, what they are meant for and to be, how civilization has developed understanding of each subject over time, and questions seeking a decent method of discovery for young Catholic children.
(definitely too much cutting this week - too much time for thinking!) 
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CatholicMommy wrote:
I've written out several typed pages about the various subjects, what they are, what they are meant for and to be, how civilization has developed understanding of each subject over time, and questions seeking a decent method of discovery for young Catholic children.
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I'd be interested in your notes on this, if you don't mind sharing!
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Has anyone tried Schiller Math - it is based off the montessori method. I am looking at Lesson book 1 and 2 ( my son would be in between those two) the fractions and the base ten workbook. If I buy those, would i still need the manuals then? Just wondering out. Sorry I seem so clueless.
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CatholicMommy wrote:
I'm not officially doing Kindergarten math, but I wanted to pipe in and say that this thread has gotten me thinking about what we will do when we get there; which then led to a question about the definition of math (and other subjects for that matter)...
Celeste's post is really what got me thinking - her quote from the RD manual about experience, comprehension, then the rules. While I am 'ok' with the idea using workbooks and other similar style items for car rides and such (ie busy work - and only for the fun of it - never a requirement for younger elementary), I have also come the conclusion that we will not be using any of the current or past math publications, instead sticking with straight Montessori, developing charts and such as they go. I would also think that various math living books would be very good, along with stories about the people who discovered various mathematical rules (ie Living Math. And the idea of math journals just sounds great - documenting progress (writing out activities done, discoveries, inserting completed charts, summaries/narrations of books/biographies, perhaps a timeline?).
A couple of blank notebooks or a binder with paper and sheet protectors, writing utensils, the Montessori materials and lots of library books... it just sounds so much more fun and a lot less money than purchasing textbooks anyway!
I've written out several typed pages about the various subjects, what they are, what they are meant for and to be, how civilization has developed understanding of each subject over time, and questions seeking a decent method of discovery for young Catholic children. |
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Great random thoughts here, we too are going without workbooks/textbooks, certainly for K and my older two will only be using there's as a spine, until I get fully integrated with the Elementary Math Manuals
I would be interested in your notes too 
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Bev,  you are NOT clueless I feel like I'm wading through the quagmire most of the time, so you're doing just fine here
I think the Shiller is good, but MAY NOT be necessary if you look at getting the Manuals. Just my .02
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For those who have used Montessori math: when prepared problems are called for to practice a skill (not for learning arithmetic facts--those are easy), what do you use? Occasionally I will use a cheap drill workbook or something like Spectrum Math, which doesn't do a whole lot of teaching but does provide practice problems. I'll have them use the material to solve the problems in the workbook. But I'm open to other ideas. . . .
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Angel wrote:
...without a regular work period, I've found that I need to require math every day. And when math becomes a requirement -- even if I let her choose the particular activity -- she only does the bare minimum necessary to complete the requirement. One of my goals for the year is to change this situation by trying really, really hard to provide a real 2-3 hour work period in the morning.
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That is our experience exactly. ATM I am trying very very hard for a 1-2 hour work period for my 6yo, and a shorter one for my 3yo. Aiming for about 3 hours with a break for morning tea (that one of them prepares - cutting up fruit or vegies etc).
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Celeste wrote:
| For those who have used Montessori math: when prepared problems are called for to practice a skill (not for learning arithmetic facts--those are easy), what do you use? Occasionally I will use a cheap drill workbook or something like Spectrum Math, which doesn't do a whole lot of teaching but does provide practice problems. I'll have them use the material to solve the problems in the workbook. But I'm open to other ideas. . . . Celeste |
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In my tutoring work with older kids, we have used self-correcting flashcards (the answer is a small number on the back) and allowed use of the golden beads and such if needed. We did also use the Math CD-rom from CHC (can't think of its name right now) to encourage quickness of memory - something I may or may not do for my own children but was necessary for the tutoring since they did these 'mad minute' sheets every day at school (basically try to get the whole sheet of problems done in under 3 minutes).
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Celeste, are you thinking in terms of Story Problems, or more like doing multiplication or one of the functions with say two and three-digit numbers? Also is this in regards to the 6-9 or 3-6 age range? I am planning on having my older kids (8.5 & 11) continue with their Saxon books, but not in a workbooky sense, just to make sure we're covering the material in a Montessori-ish way. Does that make sense? Let's see if we can figure this out I really want/need those Manuals !!
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I just ordered the first kit from Schiller Math - I've wanted to for awhile, so I finally jumped in and did it.
I first found out about Schiller Math when Larry Schiller himself bought my Binomial & Trinomial Cards back on eBay! Too funny! (I never found out what he thought of them...)
Anyway, I wanted it for three reasons:
1) I'm super busy, and I like the idea of using a kit that's already planned out
2) I don't have all the Montessori math materials (esp. wooden ones)
3) I've had several people ask me if I recommend Schiller Math, so I plan on writing a review after we've used it for awhile.
So, I'll keep you guys posted!
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Meredith wrote:
| Celeste, are you thinking in terms of Story Problems, or more like doing multiplication or one of the functions with say two and three-digit numbers? Also is this in regards to the 6-9 or 3-6 age range? |
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This is elementary, 6-9 and 9-12.
Story problems, 3-digit and up multiplication and division, multi-digit addition and subtraction. That's what I need.
Not the "Table of ___" problems that they do to memorize addition, subtr, multipl, division facts.
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Celeste, I don't have my links on this computer, but I know there are several websites that have free math worksheet generators where you can set the operation and the number of digits (or range of numbers) and it will generate a sheet of problems for you, with answers on a seperate sheet. This may be all you need for practicing operations.
here is one:Superkids
and another:the math workshee tsite
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Just chiming in- I just got back from vacation and will never catch up with all the posts- I use and really like RightStart math with my 8-year-old. I had done all the montessori 3-6 math and the MTC elementary, but I wanted something that was easier for me to implement. I just love RightStart, Dr. Cotter was a montessori teacher and keeps very up to date with the latest research in math education. She takes the best of the hands-on montessori approach and makes it affordable and easy to use. I willmost likely continue to use RightStart as the basis for my elementary math curriculum, but would like to add more montessori presentations as a supplement- and b/c they fit in so well with the RighStart manipulatives which are basically cardboard versions of the golden beads.
But the original question was about a Kindergartener- for mine I will be using primarily montessori as I have done for preschool. I have RightStart level A (kindergarten) but looking through it, it is pretty basic compared to the montessori, but I will probably work through it anyway, just skipping what my son has already mastered, since I have the book and then I can say "We did RightStart Level A textbook" at the end of the year.
I'm sorry if this is repetitive - as I said I haven't had time to catch up on all the posts!
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Andrea, I am with you on Right Start. Did you see this:
Enhancing Montessori Math I also have her NACHE talks from a few years ago...great food for thought.
I used Right Start in the past and I had burn out...it wasn't the program just all the other things in my life and I took a break using Math U See and their videos to help me out and get my confidence back.
I am going to use both Montessori and Right Start things this year. And when I can't get to a new presentation, I will keep the kiddoes busy with a few other resources we have.
know this is as clear as mud...I am just STARTING to formulate my plan for this. I want to keep our Math as an EXPERIENCE with all of it progressing as smooth and easy going as possible. I don't want to fall into the trap of forcing it at them again. Been there done that. It took awhile for me to let go of my "schoolie" mindset...once I started WATCHING the children and listening to them in this area, I started feeding them with one more EXPERIENCE after another instead of a certain amount of pages of a text.
So here I am planing a Maths experience for multi ages and levels and one math challenged dd....this should be an interesting year!
...plans subject to change as a result of any life altering events...
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Donna Marie, I LOVE your attitude!
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So here I am planning a Maths experience for multi ages and levels and one math challenged dd....this should be an interesting year!
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I am hoping to provide more math Experiences as well. Perhaps we should share plans
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Donna Marie, I LOVE how you put this! This is exactly how I have done math with my ds, as a series of "experiences" followed by some hands-on practice and I think it has worked beautifully. He is entering 7th grade this year and has gone from hating math (in 3rd grade public school) to loving it.
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For those with older children, I cannot recommend highly enough the book "The Man Who Counted" for inspiring a love and curiosity about math. We did it as a read-aloud and after each chapter ds was eager to find out more about the puzzles and concepts about which we had read. Wonderful book.
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I've been thinking about Math this afternoon, and I think that since we've never used the Montessori materials before, I'd like to start from the first as it is listed in the Moteaco Albums for 3-6 yrs. My dgs is almost 7, but it seems that in order for things to make sense to him (and to me!) we will need to do that.
I've already got a math program we've been using up till this point, but I want to see how it will work in with the Montessori math. From the looks of things we may just need to immerse ourselves in the materials for the first few months and go from there. There seems to be quite a bit of material to cover just in the 3-6 math album!
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