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I happen to be a fan of Kung's and I know many of you feel loyal to and enthusiastic about the new pope. Here's a great article detailing their history and relationship as well as a recent meeting they had together.
Hans Kung and Pope meet
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I find this article a bit deceiving, opening up with the words "In a dramatic gesture of reconciliation..." Where's the reconciliation? They didn't change or even discuss views on doctrinal issues nor did Kung want his theological license to be restored. They agreed to disagree...so no reconciliation there!
Interesting that this article was 7 pages long compared to CWNews.com 5 paragraph story.
Pope, Hans Küng in "friendly" theological exchange
Sep. 26 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) met on September 24 with the dissident theologian Hans Küng, for what the Vatican described as a "friendly" discussion of theological issues.
Küng, a persistent critic of Church teachings on matters such as papal infallibility and the role of the Church in salvation, was stripped of his right to teach as a Catholic theologian in 1979. He has been harshly critical of Pope Benedict, and especially of his tenure as prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of the Faith.
When Cardinal Ratzinger was elected as Pope Benedict XVI, Küng said the result was an "immense disappointment" for the faithful, arguing that most Catholics wanted a Pope more ready to accept modern thinking. But he reflected that the papal office "can change anyone."
After Küng's meeting with the Pope, the Vatican released a short statement. "The two agreed that there was no sense in entering, withint the confines of the meeting, into a dispute surrounding the persistent doctrinal questions between Hans Küng and the magisterium of the Catholic Church."
In recent years Küng has been involved in efforts to construct a "global ethic," based on what he sees as the shared principles of major faiths. The Vatican statement said that the Pope "recognized the merits of Professor Küng's efforts" in that area, and particularly his work "to inject new life into the dialogue between faith and science." Küng in turn praised the Pope's "efforts to continue the dialogue among religions and to meet with different social groups in the modern world."
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I haven't read Kung, so I can't give direct personal knowledge, but from your article I just don't understand if he has such problems with doctrinal issues, such as papal infallibility, why does he keep trying to change the Church? How can one be a priest "in service of the church" when you're really bucking the system?
I don't mean to open a can of worms...I don't like to argue. I'm just finding a hard time understanding where Kung comes from. In the subject of love and faith, I embrace it, warts and all. If I have a problem with an area, there is what you call "fraternal correction" but not publishing scathing critical volumes for all eyes to see. I understand when one searches and questions matters...but his approach was undermining for many people's faith. The damage to the unity and faith in the Church done by Kung has been far-reaching.
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Well, John Paul II met with the Dali Lama, and we have not become Tibetanized.  I doubt that this meeting will lead to a new affinity for Kung's divisive and misguided theological radicalism in the Church; the ban on his teaching has not been lifted.
Fair is fair, though. Benedict XVI did meet with Bishop Fellay a few weeks ago. 
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So true! But the difference in that meeting is they were trying to come to some kind of agreement with SSPX.
I'd love to discuss that issue with the Pope. I have so many questions I'd like to ask him!
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FYI, this is the official Vatican statement on the meeting:
MEETING BETWEEN BENEDICT XVI AND HANS KUNG
VATICAN CITY, SEP 27, 2005 (VIS) - Holy See Press Office Director Joaquin Navarro-Valls released the following declaration to journalists yesterday afternoon:
"On Saturday, September 24, a discussion took place between His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI and Professor Hans Kung of Tubingen, Germany. The meeting was held in a friendly atmosphere. Both sides agreed that it made no sense, in the context of the meeting, to enter into a dispute on the doctrinal questions that still persist between Hans Kung and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
"The discussion thus concentrated on two subjects that have lately had particular importance in Hans Kung's work: the question of 'Weltethos' (world ethics) and the dialogue between the reason of the natural sciences and the reason of Christian faith. Professor Kung emphasized that his project of 'Weltethos' is by no means an abstract intellectual construct, rather it throws light on the moral values around which the great religions of the world converge, despite all their differences, and which may be considered as valid criteria - given their convincing rationality - by secular reason.
"The Pope welcomed Professor Kung's efforts to contribute to a renewed recognition of the essential moral values of humanity through the dialogue of religions and in the encounter with secular reason. He stressed that the commitment to a renewed awareness of the values that sustain human life is also an important objective of his own pontificate.
"At the same time, the Pope reaffirmed his agreement with Professor Kung's attempt to revive the dialogue between faith and the natural sciences, and to assert the reasonableness of and need for 'Gottesfrage' (the question of God) to scientific thought. For his part, Professor Kung expressed his praise for the Pope's efforts in favor of dialogue between religions and towards meeting the different social groups of the modern world."
OP/MEETING HANS KUNG/NAVARRO-VALLS VIS 050927 (320)
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I've only read and studied Kung's work a little bit, but here's my understanding of why he's Catholic. He seems to recognize that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded and holds the truth. He doesn't believe in papal or magisterial infallibility, but believes that God maintains the Church in truth. This means that the basic tenants of the Church are true. He defines what he thinks these tenants are.
Liberation theology has significantly contributed to the Church in showing weaknesses in the expression of Catholic theology. Ratzinger among others were able to clarify a lot based on the criticisms of Kung and his contemporaries.
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